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Kief Morris - Author of "Infrastructure as Code" & Distinguished Engineer at Thoughtworks
Abby Bangser - Principal Engineer at Syntasso & Team Topologies Advocate

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Kief
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Links
https://infrastructure-as-code.com

DESCRIPTION
Abby Bangser (Principal Engineer at Syntasso) speaks with Kief Morris (Distinguished Engineer at Thoughtworks consultant and Author of "Infrastructure as Code") about the evolution of infrastructure as code over the past decade. They discuss how the field has grown from simple server configuration management to complex cloud architectures, the challenges of current tooling, and emerging solutions like System Initiative.

The conversation explores the importance of abstraction layers, the application of software development principles to infrastructure, and how AI might transform the field. They emphasize that infrastructure decisions must align with business needs rather than being treated as generic plumbing, highlighting the ongoing need for platform engineering and developer experience considerations.

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Kief Morris • Infrastructure as Code • https://amzn.to/4e6EBQc
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQ
Dave Thomas • simplicity • https://amzn.to/43FghBJ
Dave Thomas & Andy Hunt • The Pragmatic Programmer • https://amzn.to/43QuMBj

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Alice Bartlett - Tech Director for Customer Products at Financial Times
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

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Alice
https://x.com/alicebartlett
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Charles
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https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble
https://conissaunce.com

Links
https://blog.container-solutions.com/wtf-happens-to-psychological-safety

DESCRIPTION
Alice Bartlett, Tech Director at the Financial Times, discusses her journey from principal engineer to leading a 70-person team responsible for https://www.ft.com and mobile apps. She shares insights on managing editorial stakeholders, balancing technical debt with business priorities, leading difficult conversations, and navigating the challenges of AI in software development.

The conversation with Charles Humble covers her approach to architectural challenges, communication strategies, and the evolving role of technology leadership in modern media organizations.

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Simon Wardley • Wardley Maps • https://amzn.to/45U8Upr
Simon Wardley • Wardley Mapping, The Knowledge • https://amzn.to/3XQEeDu
Sun Tzu • The Art of War • https://amzn.to/2BqDeha
Mark Craddock • Wardley Mapping Doctrine • https://amzn.to/4b3jRYb
Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies • https://amzn.to/3XTmNCc
David Anderson, Marck McCann & Michael O'Reilly • The Value Flywheel Effect • https://amzn.to/3VcHxC7
Erik Schön • The Art Of Strategy • https://amzn.to/2UPzXPa

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Pragmatic Dave Thomas - Pragmatic Programmer Turned Publisher
Sarah Taraporewalla - CTO APAC at Thoughtworks

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Dave
https://pragdave.me
https://twitter.com/pragdave
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Sarah
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https://twitter.com/sarahtarap
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https://github.com/staraporf

Links
https://pragprog.com
https://agilemanifesto.org

DESCRIPTION
Sarah Taraporewalla (CTO APAC at Thoughtworks) sits down with programming legend Dave Thomas—co-founder of The Pragmatic Programmer and co-creator of principles like DRY (Don't Repeat Yourself)—to discuss his latest book "Simplicity."

Dave reveals why he believes "Agile is Dead" and shares his disillusionment with how agile practices have become rigid, corporate processes rather than the flexible, value-driven approach originally envisioned in the Agile Manifesto he helped create. The conversation centers around his new Orient-Step-Learn framework, designed to help individual developers master true simplicity through deliberate practice and feedback loops, emphasizing that real simplicity requires mastery and cannot be achieved overnight.

Dave advocates for developers to take personal agency, reduce unnecessary dependencies, and focus on what they can control rather than waiting for organizational change, arguing that simplicity is ultimately about cutting away complexity to reveal elegant, minimal solutions.

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Dave Thomas • simplicity • https://amzn.to/43FghBJ
Dave Thomas & Andy Hunt • The Pragmatic Programmer • https://amzn.to/43QuMBj
Dave Snowden & Friends • Cynefin • https://amzn.to/3FSnF3p

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Piotr Sarna - Co-Author of "Writing for Developers" & Founding Engineer at poolside
Glauber Costa - Founder & CEO at Turso

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Piotr
https://bsky.app/profile/sarna.dev
https://github.com/psarna
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarna-dev
https://bio.sarna.dev

Glauber
https://bsky.app/profile/glaubercosta.bsky.social
https://github.com/glommer
https://www.linkedin.com/in/glommer
https://glaubercosta-11125.medium.com

Links
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https://writethat.blog
https://writethat.blog/?year=2025&month=3
https://turso.tech/blog/zig-helped-us-move-data-to-the-edge-here-are-our-impressions-67d3a9c45af4
https://www.scylladb.com/2021/09/28/hunting-a-numa-performance-bug
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/typescript/typescript-native-port
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42378843

DESCRIPTION
Glauber Costa interviews engineer Piotr Sarna about his evolution from a reluctant writer to a successful technical book author. They discuss writing as an engineering discipline, common engineering blog post patterns, and why even introverted non-native English speakers should be blogging.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Piotr Sarna & Cynthia Dunlop • Writing for Developers • https://amzn.to/3Z3rzgf
Cardeneti Mendes, Sarna, Emelyanov & Dunlop • Database Performance at Scale • https://amzn.to/3ZNBqqJ
Nicole Foster • How To Write In Plain English • https://amzn.to/3XaTWHf

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Michael Nygard - General Manager of Data at Nubank
Dave Farley - Continuous Delivery & DevOps Pioneer, Award-winning Author, Founder & Director of Continuous Delivery Ltd.

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Michael
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mtnygard
https://twitter.com/mtnygard
http://www.michaelnygard.com

Dave
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https://www.continuous-delivery.co.uk
https://linkedin.com/in/dave-farley-a67927
https://twitter.com/davefarley77
http://www.davefarley.net

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RECOMMENDED BOOKS
David Deutsch • The Beginning of Infinity
Michael Nygard • Release It! 2nd Edition
Michael Nygard • Release It! 1st Edition
Zhamak Dehghani • Data Mesh
Dave Farley • Modern Software Engineering
Dave Farley • Continuous Delivery Pipelines
Dave Farley & Jez Humble • Continuous Delivery

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Matt McLarty - CTO at Boomi & Co-Author of "Unbundling the Enterprise"
Erik Wilde - Principal Consultant at INNOQ

RESOURCES
Matt
https://bsky.app/profile/mattmclartybc.bsky.social
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattmclartybc

Erik
https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikwilde
https://github.com/dret

Links
https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/profile.aspx?facId=6417
https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/application-development/richard-seroter-on-shifting-down-vs-shifting-left
https://platformengineering.org/blog

DESCRIPTION
Matt McLarty and Erik Wilde explore the nuanced world of platform engineering, challenging conventional approaches and highlighting the critical importance of aligning technological capabilities with business outcomes. They discuss the evolution from DevOps, the role of APIs, and the need to create flexible, reusable technological building blocks that drive true organizational innovation.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Stephen Fishman & Matt McLarty • Unbundling the Enterprise
Carliss Y. Baldwin • Design Rules, Vol. 2
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies
Forsgren, Humble & Kim • Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and DevOps
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook
Gene Kim, Kevin Behr & George Spafford • The Phoenix Project

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Martin Fowler - Pioneer of Various Topics around Object-Oriented Technology & Agile Methods
James Lewis - Software Architect & Director at Thoughtworks  @thoughtworks 

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Martin
https://x.com/martinfowler
https://www.martinfowler.com
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-fowler-com

James
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https://github.com/boicy
https://www.bovon.org

Links
https://agilemanifesto.org
https://martinfowler.com/articles/designDead.html
https://martinfowler.com/articles/on-pair-programming.html

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RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Martin Fowler • Refactoring
Scott W. Ambler & Pramod Sadalage • Refactoring Databases
Martin Fowler & Pramod Sadalage • NoSQL Distilled
Martin Fowler • Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture
Martin Fowler • Domain-Specific Languages
Martin Fowler • UML Distilled

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Ashley Peacock - Staff Software Engineer at Simply Business & Author of "Serverless Apps on Cloudflare" & "Creating Software with Modern Diagramming Techniques"
Ricky Robinett - VP Developer Relations & Community at Cloudflare

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Ashley
https://twitter.com/_ashleypeacock
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Ricky
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/rickyrobinett
https://about.me/rickyrobinett
https://github.com/rickyrobinett

Links
https://www.cursor.com

DESCRIPTION
Ricky Robinett interviews Ashley Peacock, author of "Serverless Apps on Cloudflare", about the developer platform side of Cloudflare. Ashley explains how Cloudflare has evolved from primarily a security company to a full-fledged developer platform with global deployment capabilities, databases, caching solutions, and AI tools.

They discuss the unique aspects of Cloudflare's architecture, including global deployment by default, bindings that simplify resource connections without requiring secrets management, and excellent local development experience.

Ashley highlights several Cloudflare products including Workers (serverless functions), D1 (SQLite database), KV (key-value store), R2 (object storage), Durable Objects, and AI offerings like Workers AI and AI Gateway. The conversation covers developer experience, using AI assistants for coding, and the benefits of Cloudflare's approach to simplifying cloud development.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Ashley Peacock • Serverless Apps on Cloudflare
Ashley Peacock • Creating Software with Modern Diagramming Techniques
Jeroen Mulder • Multi-Cloud Strategy for Cloud Architects

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Sy Brand - Author of "Building a Debugger" and C++ Developer Advocate at Microsoft
Tim Misiak - Systems Engineer at Datadog and Co-Founder of Augmend

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Sy
https://bsky.app/profile/tartanllama.xyz
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Tim
https://bsky.app/profile/timdbg.com
https://x.com/timmisiak
https://github.com/timmisiak
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https://www.timdbg.com

Links
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https://lldb.llvm.org
https://rr-project.org
https://undo.io

DESCRIPTION
Tim Misiak interviews Sy Brand about their book "Building a Debugger". Sy, who has a background in GPU compilers and debuggers, discusses how implementing a debugger offers profound insights into computer systems.

The conversation explores the unexpected complexities of debugging fundamentals like stack unwinding and code stepping. They examine how debugging interfaces have evolved and the challenges posed by backward compatibility and language evolution.

Sy highlights areas for future advancement in debugging, particularly time travel debugging for non-deterministic issues and better tools for debugging optimized code. Throughout the interview, both experts share fascinating technical details that reveal why debugger implementation serves as an excellent path to deeper understanding of operating systems and hardware.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Sy Brand • Building a Debugger
Cathy O'Neil • Weapons of Math Destruction

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Steve Pereira - Co-Author of "Flow Engineering" & Principal Consultant at Visible Flow Consulting
Andrew Davis - Co-Author of "Flow Engineering" & Founder at Institute for Transformational Leadership

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Steve
https://x.com/steveelsewhere
https://github.com/stevepereira
https://www.linkedin.com/in/devopsto
https://stevepereira.ca

Andrew
https://x.com/andrewdavis_io
https://github.com/abd3
https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewdavis-io
https://www.andrewdavis.io

Links
https://flowcollective.org

DESCRIPTION
Flow Engineering co-authors Steve Pereira and Andrew Davis discuss their approach to improving workflow visibility in software development and knowledge work. They explore how value stream mapping can be adapted for modern digital work environments, where the work is largely invisible compared to manufacturing settings.

The authors explain their five-map framework designed to help teams establish clarity, improve collaboration, and enhance productivity despite busy schedules and constant firefighting. They emphasize the importance of visual collaboration to create shared mental models and the continuing relevance of these practices in an AI-driven future.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Steve Pereira & Andrew Davis • Flow Engineering
Andrew Davis • Mastering Salesforce DevOps
Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies
Charles Humble • Professional Skills for Software Engineers
Simon Wardley • Wardley Mapping, The Knowledge
Simon Wardley • Wardley Maps

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