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William Rizzo - Global Field CTO at Mirantis & CNCF Ambassador
Colin Griffin - CEO at Krumware & Co-Chair of CNCF Platform Engineering Working Group

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William
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Links
https://www.cncf.io/reports/cloud-native-artificial-intelligence-whitepaper
https://cloudnativeplatforms.com/whitepapers/platform-eng-maturity-model

DESCRIPTION
Colin Griffin and William Rizzo explore the evolving state of platform engineering in 2026. They discuss how the discipline plays out very differently across verticals such as fintech, telco, and automotive, and why generic frameworks must be tailored to the unique regulatory, cultural, and technical realities of each industry.

The conversation moves through the growing pressure to align platform investments with measurable business outcomes, the distinct compliance challenges facing European organizations under tightening AI regulation, and the infrastructure reckoning triggered by large-scale GPU investment. Both speakers converge on a shared wish: that the CNCF Platform Engineering White Paper and Maturity Model be updated to reflect vertical-specific guidance, informed directly by end-user organizations.

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Gregor Hohpe • Cloud Strategy • https://amzn.to/3TOS3Nv
Zhamak Dehghani • Data Mesh • https://amzn.to/3tTCwAC
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Marko Klemetti - CTO of Eficode
Kris Jenkins - Lifelong Computer Geek and Podcast Host

ORIGINAL TALK TITLE
Rewriting the SDLC Playbook with GenAI: How To Build a GenAI-Augmented Software Organization?

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ABSTRACT
Speakers interview each other on topics that matter to them.
Expect the unexpected. [...]

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Forsgren, Humble & Kim • Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and DevOps • https://amzn.to/3tCz1xO
John Arundel & Justin Domingus • Cloud Native DevOps with Kubernetes • https://amzn.to/3hKZvI5
Wynne, Hellesoy & Tooke • The Cucumber Book • https://amzn.to/3tEUINJ
Sol Rashidi • Your AI Survival Guide • https://amzn.to/3UFYnKC
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Ajay Chankramath - Founder & CEO at Platformetrics & Co-Author of "Effective Platform Engineering"
Nic Cheneweth - Principal Consultant at Thoughtworks & Co-Author of "Effective Platform Engineering"

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Links
https://effectiveplatformengineering.com
https://epetech.io
https://dora.dev
https://dora.dev/research/2025/dora-report

DESCRIPTION
Ajay Chankramath (founder and CEO of Platformetrics) and Nic Cheneweth  Cheneweth (Principal Technologist at ThoughtWorks) explore the evolving world of platform engineering. They discuss why a product mindset is critical for internal platforms, how control planes and API-first design create scalable foundations, the real challenges organizations face when implementing Backstage, and where AI and agents are beginning to change the platform landscape. Throughout, both speakers emphasize that cutting corners on architectural foundations ultimately compounds problems at scale.

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Chankramath, Cheneweth, Oliver & Alvarez • Effective Platform Engineering • https://amzn.to/3OnxN8i
Gregor Hohpe • Platform Strategy • https://amzn.to/4cxfYdb

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Adrian Mouat - Developer Relations at Chainguard & Author of 'Using Docker'
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

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Adrian
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Charles
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Links
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https://www.cisa.gov/sbom
https://www.chainguard.dev/supply-chain-security-101/the-npm-registry-cant-protect-you-the-new-javascript-supply-chain-attacks
https://oxide-and-friends.transistor.fm/episodes/discovering-the-xz-backdoor-with-andres-freund
https://edu.chainguard.dev

DESCRIPTION
In this State of the Art episode, Charles Humble speaks with Adrian Mouat, Developer Relations at Chainguard and author of "Using Docker", about the evolution of container security and the persistent challenge of outdated packages.

Adrian explains how traditional Linux distributions weren't designed for the immutable, frequently-replaced nature of containers, leading to security vulnerabilities that scanners detect but teams struggle to address. He discusses how Chainguard tackles this problem by building everything from source using Wolfi, creating minimal "distroless" images with near-zero CVEs, and how concepts like SBOMs, attestations, and defense in depth are reshaping security practices.

The conversation also covers major security incidents including the XZ Utils backdoor and Shai-hulud attacks, emphasizing the importance of building from source, using short-lived credentials, and replacing rather than updating containers – practices pioneered by companies like Google that are gradually spreading across the industry.

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Adrian Mouat • Using Docker • https://amzn.to/3PEYIJL
Liz Rice • Container Security • https://amzn.to/3oU4iJe
Liz Rice • Kubernetes Security • https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/kubernetes-security/9781492039075

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Nick Selby - Managing Partner at EPSD
Sarah Wells - Independent Consultant & Author of "Enabling Microservice Success"

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Links
https://ainowinstitute.org/contributor/heidy
https://www.heidyk.com

DESCRIPTION
In this conversation, Sarah Wells and Nick Selby explore why the current rush to adopt AI tools introduces significant business risks. They discuss how AI vendors deliberately blur security terminology to confuse buyers, how AI tools' insatiable appetite for data creates enormous blast radii when breaches occur, and what organizations can do to adopt AI responsibly - from threat modeling and cross-disciplinary governance to minimum-permission principles and incident readiness.

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Sarah Wells • Enabling Microservice Success • https://amzn.to/4aa8xrv
Katharine Jarmul • Practical Data Privacy • https://amzn.to/3OafC3m
Katharine Jarmul & Jacqueline Kazil • Data Wrangling with Python • https://amzn.to/3Ue5BV5

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Frances Buontempo - Consultant, Developer & Author of "Learn C++ by Example"
Matt Godbolt - Low-level Latency Geek & Creator of Compiler Explorer

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Links
https://cppinsights.io

DESCRIPTION
Matt Godbolt interviews Frances Buontempo about her book "Learn C++ by Example", a practical guide aimed at helping programmers relearn modern C++ features introduced since C++11. Frances shares her unique teaching philosophy, which emphasizes self-contained, playable examples like simple games that make complex concepts accessible and memorable.

Drawing on her background in mathematics and her father's work in teacher education, she explains how her approach—exemplified by her famous "X Out of a Y Paper Bag" series of talks—uses humor and practical scenarios to help learners understand challenging topics like coroutines, the spaceship operator, and the "almost always auto" style. The discussion touches on the evolution of C++, the upcoming reflection features in C++26, and Fran's current project: writing an introductory C++ book for complete beginners, despite finding concepts like "constant variable" challenging to explain even as an experienced author.

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Frances Buontempo • Learn C++ by Example • https://amzn.to/4rgxSZX
Frances Buontempo • Introducing C++ • https://amzn.to/40aHQQC
Frances Buontempo • Genetic Algorithms and Machine Learning for Programmers • https://amzn.to/3OLjXMV
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Dr. Ewelina Kurtys - Strategic Advisor on Frontier Technologies at FinalSpark
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

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Links
https://finalspark.com
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/biologically-inspired-computing-dr-ewelina-kurtys-udnhe
https://finalspark.com/finalspark-6-month-research-technology-update
https://finalspark.com/first-publication-from-a-neuroplatform-user

DESCRIPTION
Dr. Ewelina Kurtys, Strategy Advisor at FinalSpark, discusses the revolutionary potential of biological computing with host Charles Humble.

The conversation explores FinalSpark's ambitious goal to build computers using living neurons that are 1 million times more energy efficient than current digital systems. Ewelina explains the technical challenges of working with brain organoids, the ethical considerations of using human stem cells, and why biological neurons could dramatically reduce AI costs while offering unique advantages for complex tasks like generative AI.
The interview covers everything from neural encoding and plasticity to consciousness and the deterministic nature of the brain.

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Jin Xu • Biological Computing • https://amzn.to/4a4Wwp9

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Susanne Kaiser - Independent Tech Consultant & Author of "Architecture for Flow"
James Lewis - Software Architect & Director at Thoughtworks

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James
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https://www.bovon.org

Links
https://susannekaiser.net/the-architecture-for-flow-canvas
https://susannekaiser.net/articles
https://www.christenseninstitute.org/theory/jobs-to-be-done

DESCRIPTION
James Lewis interviews Susanne Kaiser about her comprehensive new book "Architecture for Flow: Adaptive Systems with Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping and Team Topologies".

Susanne shares how she brought together 3 powerful frameworks over several years of her consulting work, creating a holistic approach to designing socio-technical systems. The discussion covers her journey from startup CTO to independent consultant, the evolution of her thinking around value streams and team organization, and her practical "Architecture for Flow Canvas" that teams can use to assess their current state and envision their future.

With 126 hand-drawn illustrations and 599 sticky notes in the book, Kaiser emphasizes the importance of visual communication and starting with the problem space before jumping to solutions.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies • https://amzn.to/3XTmNCc
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • https://amzn.to/4a2gh0i
Woods, Erder & Pureur • Continuous Architecture in Practice • https://amzn.to/2QWAmkl
Steve Pereira & Andrew Davis • Flow Engineering • https://amzn.to/3GY3u44
Stefan Hofer & Henning Schwentner • Domain Storytelling • https://amzn.to/3EroBH7

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Abby Bangser - Platform Engineering Insights from Syntasso delivering Kratix
Adrian Mouat - Developer Relations at Chainguard & Author of 'Using Docker'
Holly Cummins - JavaOne Rock Star. Building Quarkus to Make the Cloud Cloudier

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Adrian Mouat • Using Docker • https://amzn.to/3PEYIJL
Liz Rice • Container Security • https://amzn.to/3oU4iJe
Liz Rice • Kubernetes Security • https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/kubernetes-security/9781492039075
Anne Currie, Sarah Hsu, & Sara Bergman • Building Green Software • https://amzn.to/3UjSClv
Kief Morris • Infrastructure as Code • https://amzn.to/4e6EBQc

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Fabrice Bernhard - Co-Author of “The Lean Tech Manifesto” & Co-Founder & CTO at Theodo
Steve Pereira - C o-Author of “Flow Engineering” & Principal Consultant at Visible Flow Consulting

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Steve
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https://github.com/stevepereira
https://www.linkedin.com/in/devopsto
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Links
https://hbr.org/1986/01/the-new-new-product-development-game

DESCRIPTION
Fabrice Bernhard, co-founder of Theodo and co-author of "The Lean Tech Manifesto", shares his journey from agile practitioner to lean thinking advocate. The discussion explores how lean principles can scale agile practices beyond small teams, the misconceptions around both methodologies, and the emergence of tech-enabled networks of teams as a new organizational model.

Fabrice emphasizes that both lean and agile are fundamentally about people, not processes, and shares practical lessons from scaling his consultancy to 700 people while maintaining agility through lean principles.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Fabrice Bernhard & Benoît Charles-Lavauzelle • The Lean Tech Manifesto • https://amzn.to/3Z4EbU6
Steve Pereira & Andrew Davis • Flow Engineering • https://amzn.to/3GY3u44
General Stanley McChrystal, Collins, Silverman & Fussell • Team of Teams • https://amzn.to/4bUzhQY
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • https://amzn.to/4a2gh0i
Bill Frasure, Bruce Eckel, James Ward • Effect Oriented Programming • https://amzn.to/4sO6wLV
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