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Sy Brand - Author of "Building a Debugger" and C++ Developer Advocate at Microsoft
Tim Misiak - Systems Engineer at Datadog and Co-Founder of Augmend

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https://www.timdbg.com

Links
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https://lldb.llvm.org
https://rr-project.org
https://undo.io

DESCRIPTION
Tim Misiak interviews Sy Brand about their book "Building a Debugger". Sy, who has a background in GPU compilers and debuggers, discusses how implementing a debugger offers profound insights into computer systems.

The conversation explores the unexpected complexities of debugging fundamentals like stack unwinding and code stepping. They examine how debugging interfaces have evolved and the challenges posed by backward compatibility and language evolution.

Sy highlights areas for future advancement in debugging, particularly time travel debugging for non-deterministic issues and better tools for debugging optimized code. Throughout the interview, both experts share fascinating technical details that reveal why debugger implementation serves as an excellent path to deeper understanding of operating systems and hardware.

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Sy Brand • Building a Debugger
Cathy O'Neil • Weapons of Math Destruction

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Steve Pereira - Co-Author of "Flow Engineering" & Principal Consultant at Visible Flow Consulting
Andrew Davis - Co-Author of "Flow Engineering" & Founder at Institute for Transformational Leadership

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewdavis-io
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Links
https://flowcollective.org

DESCRIPTION
Flow Engineering co-authors Steve Pereira and Andrew Davis discuss their approach to improving workflow visibility in software development and knowledge work. They explore how value stream mapping can be adapted for modern digital work environments, where the work is largely invisible compared to manufacturing settings.

The authors explain their five-map framework designed to help teams establish clarity, improve collaboration, and enhance productivity despite busy schedules and constant firefighting. They emphasize the importance of visual collaboration to create shared mental models and the continuing relevance of these practices in an AI-driven future.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Steve Pereira & Andrew Davis • Flow Engineering
Andrew Davis • Mastering Salesforce DevOps
Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies
Charles Humble • Professional Skills for Software Engineers
Simon Wardley • Wardley Mapping, The Knowledge
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Russ Miles - Author, Engineering Manager & Chaos Engineering Practitioner
Kevlin Henney - Consultant, Programmer, Keynote Speaker, Technologist, Trainer & Writer

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RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Miles, Giguere & Smith • Cloud Native Application Protection Platforms
Mina, Warda, Marins & Miles • Digitalization of Financial Services in the Age of Cloud
Russ Miles • Learning Chaos Engineering
Chip Heath & Dan Heat • Switch: How to Change Things When Change Is Hard
Dan Pilone & Russ Miles • Head First Software Development
Chankramath, Cheneweth, Oliver & Alvarez • Effective Platform Engineering
Gregor Hohpe • Platform Strategy
Martin Fowler • Refactoring
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies

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Michelle Frost - AI Advocate at JetBrains & Responsible AI Consultant
Hannes Lowette - Principal Consultant at Axxes, Monolith Advocate, Speaker & Whiskey Lover

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https://github.com/Belenar
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DESCRIPTION
AI advocate Michelle Frost and principal consultant Hannes Lowette discuss ethical challenges in AI development. They explore the balance between competing values like accuracy versus fairness, recent US regulatory rollbacks under the Trump administration, and market disruptions from innovations like Deep Seek.

While Michelle acknowledges concerns about bias in unregulated models, she remains optimistic about AI's potential to improve lives if developed responsibly. She emphasizes the importance of transparency, bias measurement, and focusing on beneficial applications while advocating for individual and corporate accountability in the absence of comprehensive regulation.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Mark Coeckelbergh • AI Ethics
Debbie Sue Jancis • AI Ethics
Mohammad Rubyet Islam • Generative AI, Cybersecurity, and Ethics
Jeet Pattanaik • Ethics in AI

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Paul Slaughter - Staff Fullstack Engineer at GitLab & Creator of Conventional Comments
Adrienne Braganza Tacke - Senior Developer Advocate at Viam Robotics & Author of "Looks Good To Me: Constructive Code Reviews"

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https://www.adrienne.io
https://blog.adrienne.io

Links
https://conventionalcomments.org

DESCRIPTION
Can "Conventional Comments" transform code reviews from frustrating experiences into productive collaborations?

Paul Slaughter shares his experience developing and practicing "Conventional Comments", a structured approach to improving code review communications through labeled feedback. The conversation explores clear communication patterns with labels (e.g. 'suggestion:', 'issue:' or 'question:').

Paul and Adrienne discuss the importance of empathy in the review process, the balance between politeness and efficiency, and how GitLab's Code Review Weekly Workshops have helped normalize review experiences across their remote teams. The interview highlights that effective code reviews depend not just on technical evaluations but on thoughtful communication that acknowledges developers' emotional investment in their work while fostering a culture of collaborative ownership.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Adrienne Braganza Tacke • "Looks Good to Me": Constructive Code Reviews
Adrienne Braganz

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Brooklyn Zelenka - Author of Numerous Libraries Including Witchcraft & Founded the Vancouver Functional Programming Meetup
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS

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Brooklyn
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Links
https://automerge.org
https://discord.com/invite/zKGe4DCfgR
https://www.robinsloan.com/notes/home-cooked-app
https://github.com/ipvm-wg
https://www.localfirst.fm
https://localfirstweb.dev

DESCRIPTION
Distributed systems researcher Brooklyn Zelenka unpacks the paradigm shift of local-first computing, where applications primarily run on users' devices and synchronize seamlessly without central servers.

In a conversation with Julian Wood, she explains how this approach reduces latency, enables offline functionality, improves privacy through encryption, and democratizes app development—all while using sophisticated data structures. Perfect for collaborative tools and "cozy web" applications serving smaller communities, local-first software represents a fundamental rethinking of how we've built software for the past 30 years.

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Ford, Parsons, Kua & Sadalage • Building Evolutionary Architectures 2nd Edition
Ford, Richards, Sadalage & Dehghani • Software

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Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant
Trisha Gee - Lead Developer Evangelist at Gradle, Java Champion & Co-Author of "Getting to Know IntelliJ IDEA"

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https://github.com/trishagee

Links
https://www.conissaunce.com/professional-skills-shortcut.html
https://www.jeanettewinterson.com

DESCRIPTION
Trisha Gee interviews Charles Humble on his project "Professional Skills for Software Engineers", a collection of 14 articles organized into four categories:
• communication
• critical thinking
• documentation
• networking

Charles argues that career success in software engineering oftentimes depends more on non-programming skills than technical ability. Both Charles and Trisha emphasize that these skills are learnable and essential, despite being undervalued in the industry as mere "soft skills".

The conversation covers how intentional communication improves product development, the value of networking and public speaking for career advancement, and ways engineers can generate ideas for content creation while taking ownership of their career development. The interview makes a compelling case that developing these professional skills benefits both individual engineers and the industry as a whole.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Charles Humble • Professional Skills for Software Engineers

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Stefan Baumgartner - Author of "TypeScript Cookbook" & "TypeScript in 50 Lessons"
Peter Kröner - Host of "Working Draft" Podcast & Freelance Trainer for Frontend Web Tech

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Stefan
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https://oida.dev

Peter
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https://mastodon.social/@sir_pepe
https://github.com/SirPepe
https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterkroener
https://www.peterkroener.de

Links
https://typescript-cookbook.com
https://typescript-book.com
https://workingdraft.de

DESCRIPTION
Peter Kröner and Stefan Baumgartner explore practical TypeScript implementation strategies in this discussion of Stefan's latest book, "TypeScript Cookbook", a sequel to his previous work "TypeScript in 50 Lessons". From minimal type annotations to knowing when to use advanced features, Stefan shares insights on efficient project setup, alternatives to enums, and the strategic use of classes.

The conversation examines the philosophy behind TypeScript's design while emphasizing a pragmatic approach that focuses on understanding what happens behind the scenes to make better coding decisions. Stefan consistently advocates for simplicity and intentionality when working with TypeScript's powerful but sometimes complex type system.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Stefan Baumgartner • TypeScript Cookbook
Stefan Baumgartner • TypeScript in 50 Lessons
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Barry O'Reilly - Founder at Black Tulip Tech and Author of "Residues" & "The Architect's Paradox"
Jacqui Read - Software Architect, Speaker & Author of "Communication Patterns"

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Barry
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https://github.com/tekiegirl

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In this GOTO Book Club interview, Jacqui Read discusses with Barry O'Reilly his books "Residues: Time, Uncertainty, and Change in Software Architecture" and "The Architect's Paradox". He explains how uncertainty defines the architect's role and introduces residuality—a method where architects deliberately stress their conceptual models until they collapse, then optimize the resulting "residues" or leftovers to create more resilient systems.

Unlike traditional software engineering approaches, that try to eliminate uncertainty through rigid requirements, residuality embraces random stressors (even far-fetched scenarios like giant lizards) to uncover architectural fault lines.

O'Reilly argues that this playful yet mathematically sound approach produces more robust architectures than conventional methods, and his second book explores how inherited philosophical thinking often undermines software architecture's effectiveness in complex business contexts.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Barry O'Reilly • Residues
Barry O'Reilly • The Architect's Paradox
Jacqui Read • Communication Patterns
Anne Currie & Jamie Dobson • The Cloud Native Attitude
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David Edoh-Bedi - Developer Relations at Stripe
James Beswick - Head of Developer Relations at Stripe

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James
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Links
https://stripe.dev

DESCRIPTION
James Beswick (Head of Developer Relations at Stripe) talks with David Edoh-Bedi (Developer Advocate) about his professional journey from growing up in Togo to working at Microsoft and eventually Stripe.

The conversation explores David's transition from software engineering to developer advocacy, highlighting the importance of empathy, communication skills, and technical knowledge in the role.
They discuss the challenges of working with large legacy systems, the complexities of payment processing, and how the software development landscape has evolved from library-focused development to API-centric approaches.

The interview provides valuable insights for developers considering a career path in developer relations and those integrating complex systems like payment processing into their applications.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Simon Brown • Software Architecture for Developers Vol. 2
David Farley • Modern Software Engineering
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook
Simon Wardley • Wardley Maps
Simon Wardley • Wardley Mapping, The Knowledge
David Anderson, Marck McCann & Michael O'Reilly • The Value Flywheel Effect
Mike Amundsen • Restful Web API Patterns & Practices Cookbook

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