Grab Matters Podcast

Mark Heger is a wakeboarder and all around enthusiast of towed watersports. Forging his roots in Texas, Mark initially began boat riding, quickly forming an obsession with the sport. After years of riding Mark realized wakeboarding was a lifestyle he loved, and never wanted to leave it. Being a man of faith Mark has decided to merge both aspects of his life, faith and wakeboarding, into one, and created Wakewell. Hear all this and much more in Episode 85 of the Grab Matters Podcast!

Follow Mark: https://www.instagram.com/markheger/

Thank you to this shows sponsors! 
Liquid Force: https://www.liquidforce.com/ 
Slingshot: https://slingshotsports.com/

Chapters:
00:00 - 1:00 Intro
1:20 Favorite grab
3:00 Marks roots
19:30 Why Mark is in Florida
22:10 LF’n Wheel of Questions
32:40 Announcing 
50:00 Livestream or not?
54:00 Patreon Question: Best contest?
1:00:00 Contest scene
1:08:00 Gift from Mark
1:14:20 Wakeboard Trivia
1:27:10 Slingshot Silhouette Challenge
1:28:30 Wakewell
1:38:00 Women on the tour?
1:51:30 Wake Awards
1:57:00 The state of wakeboarding in 2025
2:00:00 Ranking ginger/tall wakeboarders
2:05:20 Setup
2:08:00 Patreon Questions
2:14:00 Thank you’s 

Wakewell: https://www.wakewell.org/ 

Texas Chondros: https://www.texaschondros.com/ 

BROstock: https://brostock.com/

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Freddie and Joel both just won masters, so you know we’re talking about that, but we’re also getting into a bunch of other topics. Like how to make money waterskiing, trick skiing scoring/trick values, who we think has the most “on water” time, waterski media and how it compares to wakeboard media, social media/influencers values to brands, onlyfans, and a whole lot more. Plus, the guys rip smelling salts to start the pod, and eat a Malort candy midway through. Hear all this and much more in Episode 84 of the Grab Matters Podcast!

Follow Joel: https://www.instagram.com/joelpoland/
Follow Freddie: https://www.instagram.com/thefredwinter/
Follow Brooks (if you want): https://www.instagram.com/brkswilson/

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/GrabMattersPodcast

Thank you to this shows sponsors! 
Liquid Force: https://www.liquidforce.com/ 
Slingshot: https://slingshotsports.com/
Malibu Just Ride Tour: https://www.malibuboats.com/just-ride-tour

Chapters
00:00 - 1:00 Intro
1:15 Masters recap
16:00 Making money waterskiing
24:20 Wakeboarding at the masters
27:00 Water time
32:30 Return to Baseline/Events
39:30 LF’n Wheel of Questions
57:40 Age in waterskiing
58:00 Trick values
1:05:45 Malibu Just Ride Tour
1:06:00 Malort candy…?
1:09:00 How to be a pro waterskier
1:21:50 Slingshot Silhouette Challenge
1:26:10 Patreon Question
1:27:30 Waterski media
1:40:00 Catch up with Brooks
2:00:00 Social Media
2:16:00 Season preview

Links
Return to Baseline: https://www.baselinewaterski.com/
Brostock: https://brostock.com/
Malibu Just Ride Tour: https://www.malibuboats.com/just-ride-tour

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Have you ever spent tens of thousands of dollars and countless hours on a film, only for it not to be met with the reaction you thought it would have been? Today we chat with Sean Kilgus, the producer of countless wakeboard films, including The Butter Effect, Defy, and Prime. We are talking with him about how he got into film making, how much a high production value movie costs to make, how he navigated his career, some good Randall Harris stories, and ultimately why he decided to step away from filmmaking. Hear all that and much more in Episode 83 of the Grab Matters Podcast! 

Follow Sean: https://www.instagram.com/seankilgus/
BFY Films: https://www.instagram.com/bfywakefilms/

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/GrabMattersPodcast

Thank you to this shows sponsors! 
Liquid Force: https://www.liquidforce.com/ 
Slingshot: https://slingshotsports.com/

Chapters:

00:00 - 1:00 intro
1:10 First days riding 
4:50 Favorite grab
6:10 Prime 2?
16:00 Getting into filming
21:30 Concussion Project
28:40 Guest Question: Danny Harf
30:00 Defy
37:30 Mexico trip 
50:30 LF’n Wheel of Questions
1:05:40 Defy cont. 
1:19:00 Helicopters/Close calls
1:33:00 Slingshot Silhouette Challenge 
1:39:00 Prime and how it was received in the industry
2:11:30 Media currently 
2:20:30 Single greatest moment filming
2:27:50 Randall stories
2:36:20 Thank you’s

Links:
BFY Films: https://bfyactionfilmsmedia.com/action-sports/
Defy: https://www.amazon.com/Defy-Danny-Harf/dp/B007QIKZ4A
Prime: https://www.amazon.com/Prime-Wake-Movie-Danny-Harf/dp/B00PJRDMPY

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Langenfeld Open is going down this Saturday, May 17th and the boys are diving deep into the layout of the event, some of our picks, and a whole lot more, including an interview with Wasserski Langenfelds very own Benni Suess! Join Guenther Oka and Daniel Johnson as we go over not only LAO, but do a preview of the PWT this year, watch the new edit “Elsewhere”, recap Maps of Florida, answer a bunch of your Patreon and Instagram questions, and get into much more in Episode 10 of Shop Talk by Grab Matters. 

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Follow Daniel: https://www.instagram.com/djohnsonwake/
Follow Benni: https://www.instagram.com/benjaminsuess/
Follow Hunter: https://www.instagram.com/hunterthane/

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/GrabMattersPodcast

Thank you to this shows sponsors! 
Liquid Force: https://www.liquidforce.com/ 
Slingshot: https://slingshotsports.com/

Chapters:
00:00 - 00:45 Intro
1:00 - 8:40 “Elsewhere” edit
8:50 LAO Layout Preview
17:00 LAO Picks
23:15 LF’n Wheel of Questions/Milk Chug
33:10 Clips
36:40 Boat vs. cable choices..?
41:20 Call with Benni Suess
1:05:45 Slingshot Silhouette Challenge
1:11:00 PWT Preview
1:15:00 DJ on a TV show..?
1:20:00 Rails back on tour?
1:23:40 BROstock deets/Patreon Questions
1:26:40 Best custom paint jobs in wake
1:34:20 Maps of Florida
1:42:30 Instagram questions

Links:
Bob Sichel Gofundme: https://www.gofundme.com/f/bob-sichel-battle-fund
LAO Livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdVpP8u2O0o
Elsewhere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PApMelh4ME
FLYP Fantasy League: https://play.flypfantasy.com/leagues/wakefantasybygrabmatters
Pilot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc73poWJRVQ
Consolidating with Bob Sichel: https://vimeo.com/139288756
Lords of Swagtown: https://vimeo.com/122856730
Swagtown 2: https://unleashedwakemag.com/swagtown-2/2016/11/19/
BROstock: https://brostock.com/

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Jeff McKee is the Brand Manager for Slingshot, and has been around the industry for over 2 decades. Jeff has won a world championship (yes), seen trends come and go, products evolve, worked for Alliance, and been a part of several wakeboard films. Favorite grab, the covid “boom” and the covid “hangover”, Lipsmack, another Slingshot team movie, the importance of crews, product innovations, letting riders go, how to get sponsored, hear that and much more in Episode 82 of the Grab Matters Podcast, now live on all platforms!

Follow Jeff: https://www.instagram.com/jeffmckee/

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/GrabMattersPodcast

Thank you to this shows sponsors! 
Liquid Force: https://www.liquidforce.com/ 
Slingshot: https://slingshotsports.com/

Chapters:
00:00 - 1:30 Intro
5:00 Favorite grab 
6:00 Trends 
11:30 Guest Question: Oli Derome
20:00 Early days of Slingshot
23:50 First time riding
36:00 Winning Worlds
40:30 Turning pro
43:00 Working for Alliance
46:30 Guest Question: Garrett Cortese
54:00 LF’n Wheel of Questions
1:11:20 Joining Slingshot
1:15:20 Lipsmack
1:18:50 Guest Question: Davis Griffin
1:34:05 Guest Question: Chase Heavener
1:45:00 Slingshot Silhouette Challenge
1:50:30 Pushback on Slingshot/Success
2:02:00 The importance of crews
2:07:00 Innovation with Slingshot
2:18:20 How to get sponsored 
2:30:00 Slingshots brand identity 
2:47:00 Lipsmack 2?
2:54:40 Setup
2:59:40 Guest Question: Adam Sinclair
3:15:00 Patreon questions/thank you’s

Links:
Oli Derome Episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xazj_3CcVjY&t=37s
Transgression: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG2rwiFXTfg&t=295s
Lipsmack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn--qNuzI40&t=1514s

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While you could use the words “up and coming” to describe Jacob Sunde, it feels like this kid has been around for a while already. With his west coast roots and gathering influence from the likes of Trever Maur, Josh Twelker, Tyler Higham, and more, it’s no surprise that style comes first with Jacob. Finding a balance within all 3 disciplines, fire alarms, favorite grabs, hot takes, Wake The City, Alamo, contest vs. free riding, and this seasons plans. Hear all that and much more in Episode 81 of the Grab Matters Podcast!

Follow Jacob: https://www.instagram.com/little_sunde/

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/GrabMattersPodcast

Thank you to this shows sponsors! 
Liquid Force: https://www.liquidforce.com/ 
Slingshot: https://slingshotsports.com/

Chapters: 
00:00 - 3:00 Intro
3:20 Getting into riding 
9:00 Favorite grab
14:20 Taking a break from riding 
16:30 Guest Question: Luke Holmes
26:00 Working at a cable park
28:50 LF’n Wheel of Questions
36:00 Visiting Europe?
42:00 Boat riding
51:20 Setup
1:00:30 Guest Question: Trever Maur
1:06:00 Slingshot Silhouette Challenge
1:08:45 Alamo
1:32:00 Season plans
1:36:10 Hot Takes
1:45:30 Wake The City

Links: 
Scumline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2dCiA9a7Fg&t=1611s
Dog Dayz: https://www.amazon.com/Dog-Dayz-Kaesen-Suyderhoud/dp/B01GGSCT6C
Alamo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZt3fNRu5tY

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Over the past decade no rider has been as dominant as Meagan, with countless podiums on both competitive disciplines (boat and cable), she has constantly been on the forefront of women’s riding for years. Although Meagan has Midwest roots, she moved down to Florida at a very young age to pursue wakeboarding, and has remained in the south ever since. Clear Lake rail park, going pro, switching sponsors, Let Her Rip, landing the KGB 5, marrying your best friend, equal pay, and the cover that never was. Hear all that and much more in Episode 80 of the Grab Matters Podcast! 

Follow Meagan: https://www.instagram.com/meaganethell/

Thank you to this shows sponsors! 
Liquid Force: https://www.liquidforce.com/ 
Slingshot: https://slingshotsports.com/

Chapters:
00:00 - 1:40 Intro
3:00 Clear Lake Rail Park
5:20 Moomba Masters
8:20 Favorite rab
12:00 Growing up in Illinois 
31:00 Going pro
33:30 From Ronix to Liquid Force
36:00 Knee Injury 
42:40 Internal vs. external pressure
47:30 Guest Question: Guenther Oka
56:00 LF’n Wheel of Questions
1:01:20 LF’n Wildcard
1:03:00 Nautique to MasterCraft
1:11:20 Let Her Rip
1:15:00 Slingshot Silhouette Challenge
1:16:15 Patreon Question
1:19:10 KGB 5
1:23:00 Setup
1:25:30 Guest Question: Larisa Morales
1:34:00 Women’s boat riding/PWT
1:40:00 Equal pay
1:49:00 A gift from Meagan
1:54:30 Guest Question: Don Wallace 
2:00:20 Up and comers
2:03:00 Contest mindset
2:15:00 Marriage
2:16:00 Biggest career moment 
2:19:00 Guest Question: Rivers Hedrick
2:23:30 The cover that never was
2:34:00 Social media 
2:35:50 Guest Question: Mahallia Budds
2:47:50 2025 Season
2:50:00 Injuries 
2:58:00 Thank you’s

Links:
Brimdana: https://brimdana.shop/
Welcome To The Team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjxVdCS7xNE
Let Her Rip: https://www.mastercraft.com/let-her-rip-movement/

Up and coming girls:
Giulia: https://www.instagram.com/__giulia.castelli__/
Kitt: https://www.instagram.com/thekittsmith/
Nacha: https://www.instagram.com/nachaholscher/
Anna: https://www.instagram.com/annabeardennn/

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Gavin broke his foot, Hunter has to wear a cheese-head, and Dylan pukes milk up on himself, need we say more? In this episode we take a call from the head “boot guy” Jack Schoepp at Ronix about whats going on in the boot market, run through some more industry news like Shaun Murray parting ways with Nautique and some sponsorship changes with riders, we spotlight some of our favorite up and coming riders, hit on where we think the best winter riding destination is, have a debate on “drip” vs. “style”, dive into some board tech/riding tech, and go real deep into some winching clips from Fusion. Hear us talk about all that and MUCH more in Episode 9 of Shop Talk from Grab Matters!

Follow Gavin: https://www.instagram.com/gavinstuckey/ 
Follow Dylan: https://www.instagram.com/backwardsboards/ 
Follow Jack: https://www.instagram.com/jackinthebox165/ 
Follow Hunter: https://www.instagram.com/hunterthane/

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/GrabMattersPodcast

Thank you to this shows sponsors! 
Liquid Force: https://www.liquidforce.com/ 
Slingshot: https://slingshotsports.com/

Chapters:
1:20 Gavins Injury
2:20 Call with “Boot guy” Jack Schoepp
11:45 Murray off Nautique 
15:50 Loic on Hyperlite
17:20 Return of Double Up?
18:50 Plastic Playgrounds is back
20:00 Contest formats
23:00 LF’n Wheel of Questions 
29:00 Instagram Clips
32:30 Stationary wakeboarding device…?
41:30 Up and comers
44:50 Best winter riding spot?
47:50 Drip vs. Style
53:30 Slingshot Slhouette Challenge
55:55 Riders signature tricks
1:01:25 Gavin’s Hot Take
1:05:00 Ollie talk/Trick talk
1:19:45 Patreon Question: Cable Setup
1:25:00 Creativity/IG Questions
1:45:45 Board tech/Feature talk
2:09:00 Fusion winch clips 

Links: 

ROTY: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOI2GFQcYk
How Surfers Get Paid: https://watch.stabmag.com/how-surfers-get-paid/ 
FLYP: https://flypfantasy.com/

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We have recurring guest Dylan Mead in the booth to chat all things wakeboarding, answer some patreon questions, and flip the script on the usual pod. We're changing it up this week and Dylan came prepared with some questions of his own for Hunter, including some about the ins and outs of what its like to run a podcast. Wildest winch kick out stories, riding without a helmet, chugging milk, Grab Matters event coverage, kicker sizes, living in Utah, boarding on a budget, the "progression of a hater", and the Grab Matters x Unit rail. Hear all that and much more in Episode 79 of the Grab Matters Podcast!

Follow Dylan: https://www.instagram.com/backwardsboards/
Follow Hunter: https://www.instagram.com/hunterthane/

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/GrabMattersPodcast

Thank you to this shows sponsors! 
Liquid Force: https://www.liquidforce.com/ 
Slingshot: https://slingshotsports.com/

Chapters:
00:00 - 1:40 Intro
2:50 Wildest kick out story
11:50 Favorite winch spot
20:30 Helmets
29:50 LF’n Wheel of Questions
44:00 Diving into Grab Matters
53:00 Event Coverage BTS
1:04:30 Milk Chug
1:07:00 Rockford Ripfest/Event importance 
1:17:40 Slingshot “Silhouette Challenge”
1:19:50 Kicker size matters
1:21:00 Hunter living in Utah
1:30:00 Hexagon ban
1:33:00 Boarding on a budget
1:38:45 Progression of a hater
1:51:30 2025 Events we’re most excited for
1:55:00 Growing the sport?
2:00:00 Dylan working 100 days straight 
2:03:00 Grab Matters cont. 
2:10:00 Grab Matters x Unit Parktech
2:14:50 Kiting

Links:
Discarded Matter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RCgIz3sJGM
ZMT P2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr0EJIQYulM&t=456s
Cosmic Cahoots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-bbfuBREGI
Holofractal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sNs7W0FCtw&t=1024s
Dylan Miller Real Wake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFytpvD1Vy8
Bombhole Helmet Highlight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBJTIiWvlrg&t=307s
Lord of Swagtown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX-P60G-Xcg
Tubular: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX-P60G-Xcg
Buttery Biscuits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S7Wx4OMin8
ZMT Tape: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gohcSuZ5IXQ&t=524s
Magnetic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdpPKT-6oDs&t=428s

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Rivers Hedrick may get her name mispronounced at just about every event she rides in, but that doesn’t mean she isn’t one of the biggest names in the cable game right now. Like most in America she got her start behind the boat but quickly switched to riding cable in Atlanta, Georgia at Terminus Wake Park. Learning to ride with the best in the world, almost turning down a Red Bull event invite, finger injuries, contest prep, helmet ticks, boat riding, shooting content, and traveling the world as a girl. Hear all that and much more in Episode 78 of the Grab Matters Podcast!

Follow Rivers: https://www.instagram.com/rivershedrick/

Thank you to this shows sponsors! 
Liquid Force: https://www.liquidforce.com/ 
Slingshot: https://slingshotsports.com/

Chapters:
00:00 - 1:40 Intro
3:00 Favorite grab
6:10 Currently/Why Orlando?
11:00 First time riding
16:50 Guest Question: Chase Andrews
25:30 First Wake The City
28:50 Contrest prep
33:30 Finger injuries 
35:40 LAO
38:15 LF’n Wheel of Questions
43:10 Patreon Question: Contest Formats
47:30 Munich Mash
49:30 WTC Milwaukee 
51:40 Signature Unit Feature
56:50 Patreon Question: Content
1:02:50 ROTY Board
1:06:20 Guest Question: Campbell Scarborough
1:08:20 Helmet check
1:13:30 Patreon Question: Missing podiums 
1:15:15 Boat riding
1:17:30 Guest Question: Meagan Ethell
1:25:00 Setup
1:28:30 Slingshot “Silhouette”
1:30:20 Traveling as a girl
1:34:50 Air tricks vs. winching
1:39:50 Importance of style
1:44:00 Camera setup
1:47:00 Thank you’s  

Links:
Terminus Wake Park: https://terminuswakepark.com/
Munich Mash: https://www.instagram.com/munichmash/?hl=en
Grounded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQDEwKZ7YRY
Fusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag4g0FyFCgw
ROTY: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOI2GFQcYk
Rivers Vest: https://followbrand.com/collections/vests/products/follow-harmony-impact-vest-black

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