A deep dive into Grand Finals with a Collingwood star who prepares for his fourth Grand Final and a coach who has lived it in four Grand Finals. What more could you want?

Together with leading Herald Sun journo Jay Clark, Scott Pendlebury and Ross Lyon chat through the thrilling finish to the Pies Preliminary Final (3:50) and the contrast of emotions compared to this time last year. 

Plus Daniel McStay's heartbreaking moment and his replacement options (8:00) at the selection table. The power of Jordan De Goey (11:20), and his transformation - which Ross predicted.

The demands of Grand Final week (14:30). Where the 2023 Grand Final will be won and lost (32:10) and Pendles back in the arena on the biggest day of all - just how he likes it (39:00). 

Oh, and St Kilda fans, don't miss the latest catch up between Ross and some of his players of yesteryear (2:00) and where Ross sees them after his return year (21:00).

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