At a time when we're all wondering about the continued economic repercussions of the coronavirus, Cal looks into ways that we can all focus on money. His guest is Gregg Clunis, the host of the personal development podcast called Tiny Leaps, Big Changes. Gregg grew up in a home with little money, and has spent much of his life thinking about how to get the most out of it. The conversation offers thoughts to young people who are starting out and might not have much in the bank, as well as to people who are financially stable. This talk does not involve stock tips or cryptocurrency advice. It's very simple. At a time when the world around us makes us feel unsettled, these tips will bring a sense of certainty to anybody who listens.