In honor of the 25th anniversary of the film CONTACT, I'm reposting our interview with Carl Sagan. FOR A FULL ARTICLE SEE RICHMARTINI.COM

 We first interviewed him in the book BACKSTAGE PASS TO THE FLIPSIDE 3, along with other atheists, skeptical scientists. Thought it would be a fun exercise. I'm editing those interviews into a document which I will post on medium and richmartini.com - so people can see the full interviews with Carl.

The point of this post is that indeed - we demonstrate CONTACT with people no longer on the planet. Further, we've demonstrated that people who normally incarnate on other planets are just as likely to show up - and I've interviewed a number of those folks in the book ARCHITECTURE OF THE AFTERLIFE. So I'm just calling it what it is.

We CONTACT Carl Sagan - he and his wife wrote the original script, then it was a book - and of course everyone who knew Carl knew that he was adamant that there was no God nor an afterlife. We are not disagreeing with him. "God is beyond the capacity of the human brain to comprehend, it's not physically possible to do so" we heard from a guide on the flipside in the book IT'S A WONDERFUL AFTERLIFE.

"God" in this research is not referred to as a religious figure, or a concept that requires "faith" or belief - as the guide put it "You can experience God if you open your heart to everyone and all things." That's not a religious concept - some will take it that way, but it's a formula to experience "God."

That is - consciousness. The kingdom of heaven is within because consciousness is within - and is in all things. So the three interviews with Carl will be posted at Medium or RichMartini.com as soon as I'm done editing them.

But in honor of the Carl Sagan, this is our third interview with him - caught live on our podcast. The producer of Contact mentioned that she found it surprised we'd claim to "speak to him" since he had not reached out to his family and friends in the past. The research is consistent in that regard - it's filters on the brain. Those who bypass the filters (people can use mediumship, hypnotherapy or meditation to bypass the filters) are able to access, learn new information from people no longer on the planet. But not just to prove they exist. But to get information from them - new information that may help save our planet. It's not opinion, theory or belief that these folks all say the same things about the journey - it's in the research, the data, the footage and this podcast. I'm sorry for those who adamant that he doesn't exist - he says the same thing in Chapter 20 of "Backstage Pass to the Flipside 3" "I was convinced there was no afterlife, so I spent a lot of time wandering before I realized where I was."

It's a common refrain - if someone is convinced, believes a specific thing will happen (hell, heaven, nothing) that's what they experience at first. Takes awhile for them to realize where they are. (This isn't my opinion, we've heard it multiple times, I've filmed many saying the exact same things.) Take a look at HackingTheAfterlifeFilm.com for an example of what it was like for atheist, skeptic Harry Dean Stanton to realize there actually was an afterlife after he argued about it.

"Believe in the possibility of an afterlife" he said to us prior to his memorial a week after his passing, "So then you won't waste another minute of your life arguing about it like I did." Carl repeats this admonition - for those convinced he doesn't exist they will not be able to connect with him.

For those who consider the possibility that he exists, are more likely to be able to communicate. As I'm fond of saying, "As your pal to sit across from you. Say their name. Ask them questions (you don't know the answers to).

When you get a response BEFORE you can ask the question you'll know you've made a connection." Happy birthday to Jennifer!!!!