This is no more unusual or less so of an episode. 

Just prior to filming this interview, I got a call from Oscar winning writer Robert Towne to let me know that his old friend, and close friend to Luana Anders, John Shaner had passed at 89. Robert wanted to know from John, if he should reach out to one of John's loved ones.  So I told Robert I'd ask - because John was close to Luana and knew that he could "jump the line" if need be.

The second person we interview, colloquially known as "Issa" in Asia and the Middle East, is the subject of a book I'm currently editing, which combines all of the interviews I've done where people claim to see him, hear or talk to him.  It's not my opinion, theory or belief they are talking to him - I'm filming them as I ask questions.

The reference in this episode is to an event I attended some years ago, in 2016 after the book was published. I got an email from a friend who said "Jesus showed up in my kitchen the other night to tell you to meet Jamie Butler, the medium."  I don't know her - and didn't know she was appearing in my neighborhood a few weeks later.

So I bought a ticket, and asked her during her event if we "could dial up Jesus."  For about an hour, the people in the room had an interview, channeled through Jamie's guide "Grace" - who spoke in long, profound paragraphs about his path and journey.  He answered questions directly, and as noted in this podcast, had a couple of comments for me.

Finally the late atheist Harry Dean Stanton stopped by to add his two cents. Always great to hear from Harry. Fans of "Backstage Pass to the Flipside" know that we interviewed him extensively on the flipside.