No More Perfect Podcast with Jill Savage

Handling Destructive Relationships with Leslie Vernick | Episode 138


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For those of us who are married, we would testify that there are times when marriage is hard. There are ups and downs and challenges that we face while learning how to blend two lives into one. You may often hear Mark and I talk about that in this space.

Relationships can often hit bumps in the road. This is true of marriages, family relationships, or close friendships. But sometimes those relationships are more than disappointing or difficult. There are times when marriages can be destructive and relationships are toxic. If we are in a destructive relationship, what should we do?

My guest, Leslie Vernick, specializes in this. She helps women walk in truth, find their voice, and invite their partners into healthy change so that destructive patterns can be broken. Leslie is a relationship coach, international speaker, and author of seven books, including The Emotionally Destructive Marriage and The Emotionally Destructive Relationship. She lives in the Phoenix, AZ area and has two children and three grandchildren.

Join me as Leslie shares:

  • What the Bible says regarding relationships and wicked people
  • The difference between challenging and destructive relationships
  • Unhealthy relationship patterns we can bring into marriage
  • And more!

I hope you are encouraged and strengthened by this conversation!

Trigger Warning: I want to let my listeners know this episode contains mentions of physical abuse, rape, and injury to a child. If you are sensitive to any of these topics, consider skipping this one or at least skipping the story of injury to a child at 11:00 - 11:30.

Show Notes:  https://jillsavage.org/leslie-vernick-138

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