Four albums and a decade into their career, Canberra band Hands Like Houses have achieved considerable success without a lot of fanfare. Dozens of world tours, building huge streaming figures, the rock band join Richard Kingsmill to talk about why they headed overseas early on, and how it took ages for people at home to realise they were even Australian. Trenton Woodley (singer) and Alex Pearson (guitarist) also talk about the making of Anon., their latest album.