In this downbeat episode, Jake and Jon discuss some of the high personal costs that can come with being a CO. They also break down what is the realistic role of a correctional officer in rehabilitation compared to what the public expects. No discussion of corrections would be complete without mentioning how problems get paperwhipped and performance is punished.

Jake and Jon take on their great escapes in this episode, but first they talk the proliferation and exploitation of the New Mexican culture; television and video games for inmates; officer dumbfuckery, the consequences of a weak command staff, the exploits of Rex Morgan, M.D., and The Mayor of Kingstown; drones and AI in corrections finish up this satisfying entry.

It's a team-up like no other kind when Abby from "On Being A Police Officer" stops by with both Jake and Jon to take down the news media and their reports of "covered up suicides" at correctional facilities and "parole agents sexually abusing juveniles," and more controversy. Is it media stupidity or just yellow journalism? Where do the DA's politics fit into the scheme? We just keep fighting the article until we get to the truth.

Jon was just hanging out with his old mentor one day, and decided to turn on the microphone-- bear with him as he only has one-- but he talked about his first days a CO, being trained by the finest correctional officer on earth, Corey. They talk about the difference between police and corrections, their greatest capers together, and Jon's rookie year 15 years ago.

Jake returns for filthy revenge in this episode. He's angrier than a boiled owl that Abby asked Jon all these great questions and Jon didn't know the answers. The two ex-sergeants cover news from Texas of a boy who assaulted two female correctional officers, leaving them with grievous wounds he likely will never held to account for. A phone call from another podcast comes in with a classic prison story.

Abby from "On Being A Police Officer" rounds out the third and final part of her extensive interview with Jon-- who shares stories about proper care for inmates facing execution at the hands of the state and other fun stories.

Abby from "On Being A Police Officer" continues her interview of Jon, who talks how inmates manipulate and prey on officers, to bring about the destruction of not only their careers, but very often their personal lives.

Abby Ellsworth from the podcast "On Being A Police Officer" is a civilian who seeks to reveal the truth of the lives of those in law enforcement. Jon appeared on her episode #41, and now Abby is back to return the favor in the first of a multi-episode interview.

In 2018, a transport officer was tasked to transport two inmates to a mental-health care clinic in the midst of Hurricane Florence. The two inmates were held by court order as dangerous to themselves and others. The transport officers, following directions from their supervisors and national guard deployed the disaster area became trapped in floodwaters. They stayed with the vehicle and attempted to release or rescue the inmates inside the van but were unable to. The inmates both drown. An officer involved have been convicted of deliberate indifference and faces the rest of his life in prison.