What are the gifts and the challenges of being a Human Design Projector? What does it mean to guide others? How might Projectors orient towards success as a non-sacral being?

As a Generator, I’ve been blessed to be surrounded by wise Projectors and their unique perspectives on life. I’ve also witnessed firsthand some of the difficulties that Projectors work through as they decondition from societal definitions of success and discover the authentic flow of their energies.

In this conversation, my dear friend Joanne Chen, a 2/4 Splenic Projector, joined me to discuss all things Projectors. We talked about Joanne’s journey – from pursuing a career as a classical musician in NYC to living in Bali and guiding others on their spiritual journey.

We also discussed the relationship between Projectors and Generators: how they can support one another in the process of deconditioning, while appreciating each other’s natural gifts.

Here’s Joanne’s bio:

Joanne is an energy refinement mentor and spiritual guide known for her clarity, resonance, and multidimensional approach to transformation.

Rooted in decades of experience as a professional pianist and teacher, she brings the same precision and depth to her current work, supporting clients of all ages worldwide in recalibrating their energetic systems and realigning with their natural frequency.

Her guidance weaves together universal laws, Taoist wisdom, Human Design, Gene Keys, QHHT, breathwork, and nervous system attunement.

She is also trained in Yin yoga and Reiki with a background in cognitive behavior-based teaching and emotional pattern recognition. However, it is her intuitive clarity and ability to hold a safe, potent space that clients often describe as a “breath of fresh air.”

Whether working with high-level visionaries or those undergoing profound personal shifts, Joanne’s work helps people experience their own energy as the architect of reality - and return to truth without bypassing.

Joanne is also offering a special discount for Healing The Spirit listeners for her signature programs. Reach out to her directly for details and mention the podcast!

Find out more about Joanne and her work through her website divinehumangrid.com, her offerings list, and Instagram.

If you've enjoyed and benefited from the podcast, I invite you to apply for private mentorship and coaching with me. This is an intensive container, designed to support you in refining your self-leadership skills, moving through important life thresholds with grace, and expanding your capacity for creative expansions.

Try the incredible breathwork and meditation app Open for 30 days free using this special link. 

This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @jonathankoeofficial, and my music. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at [email protected].

What is the heart of Leo?

How does personal transformation contribute to collective sovereignty?

What does it mean to choose joyous, authentic self-expression in late-stage capitalism?

In this episode, I invited healing medium and award-winning composer Eric Schackne to explore the archetype of Leo, their Sun sign. We discussed themes of shifting identities and multi-dimensional healing & artistic practices through the lens of Leo, filtered through the Chandra symbols for Eric’s Sun, Mercury, and Mars placements in Leo.

Eric’s warmth, generosity, and regal sense of humor really came through in this conversation, and I couldn’t stop smiling whenever I revisit this conversation.

Here's Eric's bio:

Eric Schackne is a healing medium, energetic channeler, spaceholder, organizer, teacher, student, award-winning composer, producer, and fifteen other things. They are the queerest straight-faced goof you will ever meet and thrive when able to weave levity and humor into their heart-centered facilitation style.

Lands and waters that have held and shaped Eric are ancestral to the Tequesta, Miccosukee, Seminole, Mascogo, Taíno(Florida) and Tataviam, Tongva, Chumash(Los Angeles). Eric's praxis is guided by animist and ecological frameworks, Indigenous precepts, somatic abolitionist and collective liberatory practices, and a bunch of other juicy buzzwords.

In 2023 Eric opened their practice for healing and divination called Trans Alchemy as a way to provide access to healing spaces and be useless to capitalism. Check out their Patreon where they offer a free guided embodiment meditation every month ~ Patreon.com/TransAlchemyOfficial

LINKS: 

• Join Eric's Patreon: Patreon.com/TransAlchemyOfficial
• Listen to & support Eric's music on Bandcamp: https://ericschackne.bandcamp.com/

If you've enjoyed and benefited from the podcast, I invite you to apply for private mentorship and coaching with me. This is an intensive container, designed to support you in refining your self-leadership skills, moving through important life thresholds with grace, and expanding your capacity for creative expansions.

Try the incredible breathwork and meditation app Open for 30 days free using this special link. 

This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @jonathankoeofficial, and my music. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at [email protected].

This month, there's tons of energy to move towards what you want. 

Caveat: What you want isn't always what you think you want.

You'll have more fun when you're not trying to turn it into what it's not. 

We dive into:

• How to go after what you want
• How to deal with sticky timelines
• Accepting rest as part of the system upgrade
• Letting external validation lose its juice.

The astrology also brings lots of wild, fun stuff. Fruits ripening, flowers blossoming, and leaks asking to be fixed.

Yum! 

If you've enjoyed and benefited from the podcast, I invite you to apply for private mentorship and coaching with me. This is an intensive container, designed to support you in refining your self-leadership skills, moving through important life thresholds with grace, and expanding your capacity for creative expansions.

Try the incredible breathwork and meditation app Open for 30 days free using this special link. 

This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @jonathankoeofficial, and my music. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at [email protected].

What's our Favorite Self?

How does embracing our favorite self help with taking leaps and navigating transitions in life?

How do we build meaningful, aligned, and authentic friendships as adults?

I had so much fun picking the brilliant brain of the radiant Ashley B Jones in this conversation!

We discussed how to say yes to quantum leaps, how to thrive during periods of major changes, and how to embrace uncertainty by continuing to embody what she calls 'your favorite self.'

We also explored the sometimes-murky waters of adult friendships. Ashley shared practical advice for introverts and recovering people-pleasers to build genuine connections rooted in honesty and resonance.

Ashley is a Favorite Self Coach, psychic reader, and energy healer who helps recovering people-pleasing perfectionists and professional procrastinators trust their intuition to take aligned action that makes their dreams their reality.

Connect with Ashley through her workshop: The Favorite Self Treasure Hunt — A Free Self-Guided Workshop https://ashleybjones.myflodesk.com/favorite-self-treasure-hunt

If you're in Denver, join Ashley's in-person workshop The Secret Key To Magnetism on August 8th https://ashleybjones.myflodesk.com/secret-key-to-magnetism

Ashley is also doing Shine Your Light mini tarot readings during the week of July 21, 2025. Reach out to Ashley directly for more info! 

Ashley's website: https://www.ashleybjones.com/

If you've enjoyed and benefited from the podcast, I invite you to apply for private mentorship and coaching with me. This is an intensive container, designed to support you in refining your self-leadership skills, moving through important life thresholds with grace, and expanding your capacity for creative expansions.

Try the incredible breathwork and meditation app Open for 30 days free using this special link. 

This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @jonathankoeofficial, and my music. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at [email protected].

What are dragons?

How might we collaborate with dragons as allies and guides?

In this episode, therapeutic intuitive Natasha Levinger generously shared her experience on working with dragons.

Natasha and I discussed how working with dragons has assisted her in accessing deeper grounding and reclaiming vaster parts of herself. She also recounted powerful experiences of calling upon dragons to influence and assist in challenging real-world situations.

We also discussed the impact of reconnecting with mystical creatures and subtle realms on healing our imagination and creativity.

Here's Natasha's bio:

Natasha is a therapeutic intuitive, inner child healing author & energy healer, whose goal it is to help you feel more self-love, clarity and connection to your true, powerful self. Her book, “Healing Your Inner Child: Reparenting Yourself for a More Secure and Loving Life” has sold thousands of copies and been translated into three languages.

She is passionate about teaching workshops and classes that bring people both more in touch their powerful, true selves and aware of the inherent connection we all have to each other.

You can find Natasha on her website, Substack, podcast, and TikTok. 

Natasha's membership container You Are The Oracle is now open for registration for the season until July 22, 2025.

If you've enjoyed and benefited from the podcast, I invite you to apply for private mentorship and coaching with me. This is an intensive container, designed to support you in refining your self-leadership skills, moving through important life thresholds with grace, and expanding your capacity for creative expansions.

Try the incredible breathwork and meditation app Open for 30 days free using this special link. 

This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @jonathankoeofficial, and my music. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at [email protected].

What is the essence of Cancer?

How might ferocious protection intersect with tender care in the cardinal waters?

What does it mean to wait a lunar cycle?

In this episode, I invited esoteric scientist and poet Kodie Smiley to explore the archetype of Cancer, her rising sign. We discussed themes of protection, nurturing, and provocation through the lens of Cancer, filtered through Kodie's deep knowledge and experience of Human Design and The Gene Keys. 

We also shared the experience of grappling with our rising signs and waiting through a lunar cycle as a metaphor for coming into terms with our spiritual contracts in this lifetime.

Here's Kodie's bio: 

"Hi, I am Kodie, a 6/3 Reflector born on the LAX of Dominion 2 (64/63 45/26). I am Virgo Sun, Cancer Rising, Aquarius Moon. I am a mother, a poet, a philosopher, a lover, a dreamer, a way finder, an innovative thinker. I am not here to conform, but to question new worlds into reality.

I share from the language of Human Design. This system, to me, is not one of science but of deep self initiation into our most primordial, sovereign embodiment. 

Our bodygraph is the blueprint of the highly intelligent life force that we came to this world to remember.

My work reveals the covert universal energetic connections that intricately weave through our existence and bind us to one another, illuminating the fascinating relationships we share with the cosmos."

LINKS:

• The Observatory, Kodie's membership space: https://www.entertheobservatory.com/the-observatory-membership
• The Observatory Substack: https://observationsentangled.substack.com/
• The Observatory Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-observatory-podcast/id1763512306
• Kodie's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kodie.smiley/

If you've enjoyed and benefited from the podcast, I invite you to apply for private mentorship and coaching with me. This is an intensive container, designed to support you in refining your self-leadership skills, moving through important life thresholds with grace, and expanding your capacity for creative expansions.

Try the incredible breathwork and meditation app Open for 30 days free using this special link. 

This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @jonathankoeofficial, and my music. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at [email protected].

What skills and wisdom from my past can we bring into situations unfolding right in front of us?

Which human & non-human connections are we asked to update & fortify? Which ones are we asked to sever or put aside for now?

July 2025 is a juicy month astrologically. With Uranus finally moving into Gemini, we are, for the first time, experiencing the highly anticipated new cosmic backdrop in the flesh – all three outer planets in fire or air signs, the Nodes squarely in Pisces-Virgo axis, Saturn in Aries, and Jupiter in Cancer.

As with any new beginnings, July brings invitations for the past to come and dance with us.

Some questions to contemplate: 

• What past skills and wisdom can I bring to the situations unfolding right in front of me?
• In which areas of life am I invited to update or upgrade the skills I've learned to better meet the challenges of my current life?
• Which human & non-human connections am I asked to update & fortify? Which ones am I asked to sever or put aside for now?
• Are there any past pursuits, pathways, or experiments that feel exciting to revive or revisit?

I also mentioned my 2025 astrology episode with Kelsey Rose Tortorice: 194. 2025: The Cosmic Context Pt. 1 with Kelsey Rose Tortorice

If you've enjoyed and benefited from the podcast, I invite you to apply for private mentorship and coaching with me. This is an intensive container, designed to support you in refining your self-leadership skills, moving through important life thresholds with grace, and expanding your capacity for creative expansions.

Try the incredible breathwork and meditation app Open for 30 days free using this special link. 

This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @jonathankoeofficial, and my music. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at [email protected].

What is the role of the creative mystics in times of great change, confusion, and upheaval? 

How might deeply studying impermanence resource our hearts and spirit?

Awakening of The Heart by Vietnamese Zen Buddhist monk Thich Nhat Hanh has been a guiding text for me. It's provided an endless stream of inspiration, encouragement, and illumination. 

Most notably, I'm finding strength from the lucid, gentle correction he offered in understanding the concept of impermanence. Its colloquial use often connotes a certain pessimism, an attitude of "What's the point of doing anything if everything passes anyway?"

In this episode, I walk through Thich Nhat Hanh's writings on the subject, while also reflecting deeply through the lens of my path as an astrologer, a mystic, and an artist. 

I hope this serves and nourishes you. 

If you've enjoyed and benefited from the podcast, I invite you to apply for private mentorship and coaching with me. This is an intensive container, designed to support you in refining your self-leadership skills, moving through important life thresholds with grace, and expanding your capacity for creative expansions.

Try the incredible breathwork and meditation app Open for 30 days free using this special link. 

This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @jonathankoeofficial, and my music. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at [email protected].

How might music assist in our healing journeys?

How do we bring intentionality in tending and caring using sound and frequency?  

In this potent, dynamic conversation, my guest TanyaMarck Oviedo and I explored the thread that connects music, the immigrant experience, and queerness. 

We shared about the healing power of music through the lens of our personal stories. We also discussed how music fits into the ways we care for our communities. 

TanyaMarck is a kindred spirit whose perspectives, presence, and energy I deeply admire. Their generosity and honesty with sharing about their experiences inspire me deeply and I hope this conversation nourish you, too.

Links:

• TanyaMarck Oviedo's website
• Queer Spirit website

TanyaMarck's bio:

Residing on Puvungna Land, TanyaMarck Oviedo (they/them) is a  two spirit, nonbinary, queer, native indigenous person of color and person in recovery (1989). As an embodied care practitioner, educator and mentor, they share over 3 decades of care-centric wisdom and channeling via space holding, circle facilitation, mentoring, and community service work.  They maintain credentials, certificates, and training in ways that align and expand their practices and amplify their offerings.

TanyaMarck and Pluto (very magical beagle) are the founders of Vamonos, a healing arts and care practice that’s deeply rooted in curanderismo and community service. Vamonos prioritizes accessible care for our vulnerable + marginalized communities. 

They are also a cofounder of Queer Spirit (QS) along with Nick Venegoni: QS is global virtual community of care circles and spaces AND we host Queer Spirit Podcast (and other pod places): this season we are sharing care chats: mini wellness episodes.

Vamonos + Queer Spirit shine a mindful lens on the energies and practices of care-centric trauma mindful wellness.

We also mentioned the work of Samantha Williams at Involution Healing as well as mx puja singh.

If you've enjoyed and benefited from the podcast, I invite you to apply for private mentorship and coaching with me. This is an intensive container, designed to support you in refining your self-leadership skills, moving through important life thresholds with grace, and expanding your capacity for creative expansions.

Try the incredible breathwork and meditation app Open for 30 days free using this special link. 

This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @jonathankoeofficial, and my music. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at [email protected].

The theme for June 2025 is Joy is The Journey.

How might we orient to questions in times of uncertainty?

What qualities do we choose to embody when answers don't come readily?

What artificial conditions do we place on our innate joy and happiness?

Join the waitlist for Mystics of The Wandering Stars, a 9-month immersion for rebirthing your inner mystic through the lens of the planets.

If you've enjoyed and benefited from the podcast, I invite you to apply for private mentorship and coaching with me. This is an intensive container, designed to support you in refining your self-leadership skills, moving through important life thresholds with grace, and expanding your capacity for creative expansions.

Try the incredible breathwork and meditation app Open for 30 days free using this special link. 

This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @jonathankoeofficial, and my music. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at [email protected].