It’s the Witch Wave Season 8 Finale! Tourmaline is an award-winning artist, filmmaker, writer, and activist whose work is dedicated to Black trans joy and freedom. She’s the author of the new book Marsha: The Joy and Defiance of Marsha P. Johnson, which is the first comprehensive – and utterly beautiful! - biography of the visionary trans activist. Her prior book, One Day in June, is a picture book about Marsha and the Stonewall Uprising.

Tourmaline is a TIME 100 Most Influential Person in the World awardee and a Guggenheim Fellow. She has frequently appeared on ABC News, as well as in the New York Times and Vogue. Her art is in the permanent collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Tate, and the Getty Museum. She created the critically acclaimed film Happy Birthday, Marsha!, and she has directed Pride campaigns for Dove, Marc Jacobs, and Reebok. She previously worked with Queers for Economic Justice and the Sylvia Rivera Law Project.

Tourmaline lives in Miami, Florida, but she was able to join Pam in person in the podcast studio here in Brooklyn!

On this episode, Tourmaline discusses the magical activism of Marsha P. Johnson, the importance of freedom dreaming and liberatory manifestation, and how we can conjure future flourishing for all.

Pam also talks about the deep kinship between witches and the queer community, and answers a listener question about a bewitching gift for a new mom.

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Kelli Scarr is an American singer, composer, and multi-instrumentalist based in New York's Hudson Valley. She is also the founder of Vera Jean Music, a pioneering record label dedicated to championing the talents of women artists over the age of 40.

Raised in Northern California, Scarr’s musical journey began in church, eventually leading her to Berklee College of Music. Over the years, she has woven her way through an eclectic range of projects, from fronting the bands Moonraker and Salt & Samovar to a significant collaboration writing, recording, and touring with Moby. Her artistry extends into film scoring, and she earned an Emmy nomination for her score to the HBO documentary In A Dream (2008) and has composed music for dozens of films, TV shows, and commercials. Notable projects include the documentaries Advanced Style and Far Western, and the forthcoming After All (2025), for which she composed the score and contributed six original songs.

As a solo artist, Scarr has released three albums—Piece (2010), Dangling Teeth (2012), and one of Pam’s all-time favorite albums, No Rush (2021)—establishing herself as a singular voice in atmospheric, deeply emotive songwriting. Her fourth album, Greater Mysteries,is out on this Friday, June 13, and marks a new creative chapter which draws on timeless mythic journeys to the underworld, and it is pulsing, potent, and sublime. This album serves as an invitation into the initiatory cycle of transformation—where endings become beginnings, and something new is ready to emerge.

Though Kelli’s work has spanned format and musical style, all of her projects embrace a sense of experimentation, improvisation, and sacred seeking through song.

On this episode, Kelli discusses how the myth of Inanna inspired her new album, the power of song channeling and sonic embodiment, and the transformational way music connects us to the universe.

Pam also talks about the divine link between songs and spells, and answers a listener question about using magic to rekindle her creativity.

Songs featured in the episode are all from Greater Mysteries by Kelli Scarr:

“Knowing is the Call”
“Pneuma”
“The Yes That Leads”

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Cara Claymore is a strength athlete and strength & fitness coach as well as a filmmaker, artist, writer, speaker, and Tarotist. They are a polytheistic witch and syncretic magickal operator, who subscribes to a fully enspirited worldview, and strives to play and provoke on the frontier of the human imagination. Their animist lens centers relationality at the heart of their artistic, magickal and fitness work. 

They have competed and placed at the national level in the sport of strong(wo)man, and is the creator of the landmark fitness class Mythic Strength, hosted by CrossFit South Brooklyn. They offer personal mentorship & coaching on a limited basis. Cara has written for BarBend and Refinery29, as well as developing their own film projects for their independent production company, Sunstrike Pictures.

You can follow Cara on Instagram and Threads @caraclaymore, and on their Substack, StrengthMagick.Substack.com.

On this episode, Cara discusses how to develop a magical fitness practice, the power of working with avatars and alter-egos, and why taking care of one’s vessel can increase enchantment in all aspects of life.

Pam also talks about infusing her workouts with witchcraft, and answers a listener question about how to cultivate a magical relationship with her body in middle-age.

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Hilma’s Ghost is a feminist artist collective co-founded by artists and educators Dannielle Tegeder and Sharmistha Ray that fuses contemporary art with modern spirituality through forms of divination and ritual. Named after the Swedish artist and mystic, Hilma af Klint, the collective's work is a critique of gendered power structures, providing a critical and revolutionary platform for rethinking gender in the arts while recovering feminist histories as its ballast for critique. Their work ranges from the traditional to the esoteric, including paintings and drawings, surrealist games, The Abstract Futures tarot deck, ritual object-based installations, pedagogical workshops, curated exhibitions, community projects, performances, and artist books.


Hilma’s Ghost has been featured in solo, collaborative, and group exhibitions and projects at such esteemed institutions as The Guggenheim, The Armory Show, The Aldrich Contemporary Art Museum, Museu de Arte de São Paulo in Brazil, Galería RGR in Mexico City among many others. Reviews of their work have appeared in The New York Times, The Brooklyn Rail, Artnet, and Hyperallergic. And their brand new mystical mosaic installation, ABSTRACT FUTURES, was created in partnership with NYC’s MTA and is on display for the public in perpetuity at the 42nd St – Grand Central Subway Station now.

On this episode, Hilma’s Ghost speaks about the magic of abstraction, the alchemy of collaborative work, and how art can expand consciousness. (They also give a special Abstract Futures tarot reading to help guide us in this time of tumult and transformation).

Pam also talks about the mystical history of the abstract art movement, and answers a listener question about how to be a minimalist witch.

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Olga Naiman has been a New York City-based magazine editor, freelance stylist, and interior designer for the past twenty-five years. Her work has been featured extensively in publications such as House Beautiful, Domino Magazine, The Washington Post, Real Simple, and many more. Her unique approach to design is called Spatial Alchemy, and unites the spirit, psyche, body and home for the purpose of self-realization and transformation. Her new book Spatial Alchemy: Design Your Home to Transform Your Life is out now. Olga currently lives in the Hudson Valley with her partner, two children, and pet bunny.

On this episode, Olga discusses why your home is the ultimate spell, how to design your space to attract your future self, and the magic of weaving the “energy of exquisite” throughout your life.

Pam also talks about the power of spring cleaning, and answers a listener question about how to reengage with Spirit when feeling magically stagnant.

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Ronald Hutton is a professor of history at Bristol University. He is a leading authority on ancient and medieval paganism and magic, the British Isles in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, and on global context of witchcraft beliefs. He is the author of seventeen books, including The Triumph of the Moon: A History of Modern Pagan Witchcraft, The Witch: A History of Fear, from Ancient Times to the Present, and his recent book, Queens of the Wild: Pagan Goddesses in Christian Europe: An Investigation.

Ronald frequently appears as an expert on Paganism and witchcraft on British television and radio programs too numerous to name (though one of Pam’s personal favorites is when he pops up in the hilarious docu-parody series, Cunk on Britain). His work has been trailblazing in the realms of academia and religion, as well as in shaping a more humane geo-political response to the very real witch hunting that still happens across the globe. Ronald was recently awarded the title Commander of the British Empire, an honor bestowed to those who have made a highly distinguished contribution in their field – as he certainly has.

On this episode, Ronald discusses his pioneering work that helped establish the field of Pagan Studies, the boons and banes of his academic view of magical history, and the ever-evolving figure of the witch.

Pam also talks about spiritual lineages, and answers a listener question about what the cards are saying regarding these tumultuous times.

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Paulina Stevens and Jezmina Von Thiele are the co-hosts of Romanistan, a podcast that celebrates Romani identity, culture, and tradition. They are also the co-authors of the book, Secrets of Romani Fortune-Telling: Divining with Tarot, Palmistry, Tea Leaves, and More.

Paulina Stevens is a California-based author, activist, and spiritual entrepreneur. She was the subject of the LA Times podcast Foretold, which chronicles her powerful personal journey of breaking away from her insular community and reclaiming her voice. She is also the founder of Romani Holistic, a spiritual wellness business offering intuitive readings, herbal remedies, and handcrafted holistic goods rooted in ancestral knowledge.

Jezmina Von Thiele (they/she) is a writer, educator, performer, and fortune-teller whose work is rooted in their mixed Sinti Romani traditions. Their poetry, fiction, and nonfiction have been featured in Prairie Schooner, The Kenyon Review Online, Narrative Magazine, and other publications. Based in the New Hampshire Seacoast area, Jezmina leads transformative rituals and workshops on divination, spiritual wellness, and the creative arts; provides private tarot, palm, and tea leaf readings; and offers spiritual and creative coaching, online and in person.

On this episode, Paulina and Jezmina discuss Romani divination and folk magic, the history of the “G-word,” and the complex power of intuition.

Pam also talks about the importance of evolving one’s language, and answers a listener question about an Election Day flame-out.

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Mitch Horowitz is one of today’s most literate voices of occultism, mysticism, and the unexplained. He has bylines in The New York Times, The Washington Post, Politico, Time, and The Wall Street Journal, and appearances in Sundance-premiering movies, popular TV docuseries, and award-winning documentaries, as well as on CBS Sunday Morning, Dateline NBC, NPR’s All Things Considered, and other major media. Mitch also worked for many years in publishing, including as a vice president at Penguin Random House where he was editor-in-chief of Tarcher/Penguin, an imprint dedicated to metaphysics.

He now hosts the Discovery/HBO Max TV series, Alien Encounters: Fact or Fiction, and he appears regularly on seasons one and two of History’s The UnBelievable with Dan Ackroyd and in numerous docuseries including MGM+’s BEYOND: UFOs and the Unknown. He is also the host of the podcast series Extraordinary Evidence: ESP Is Real out from SpectreVision. Mitch also hosted, cowrote, and produced a feature documentary about the occult classic The Kybalion directed by Emmy-nominee Ronni Thomas and shot on location in Egypt.

Mitch is a former writer-in-residence at the New York Public Library and the PEN Award-winning and wildly prolific author of many books including Occult America, One Simple Idea, The Miracle Club, Modern Occultism, and his newest offering, Practical Magick: Ancient Tradition and Modern Practice which is out on March 25th and available for preorder now.

On this episode, Mitch discusses his dual roles as an occult historian and practitioner, why self-expression and true desire are the keys to effective spellcasting, and how his belief in “anarchic magick” has led him to a happier and more fulfilling life.

Pam also talks about the magic of wishes, and answers a listener question about staying protected as a public witch.

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Danielle Aykroyd is a singer-songwriter and multi-instrumentalist who performs under the name Vera Sola. Sometimes called the "lost love child of Leonard Cohen and Nancy Sinatra," Vera Sola’s smoky vocalization and searing, soaring songs have a cinematic aspect to them, and would feel equally at home in a David Lynch film or a prairie full of phantoms. A trained poet, her lyrics are twisting and imagistic, marked alternatively by restrained mystery and a resplendent, wild-eyed rage.

Her 2018 debut LP, Shades, which she plays every instrument on, is a study in shadowy Americana and mesmeric incantation. Her sophomore album of 2024, Peacemaker, is a more expansive extravaganza with lush orchestration, dark dreamscapes, and tales of vengeance, heartache, and haunting. Vera Sola’s new EP, Ghostmaker is a pared-down resurrection of Peacemaker tracks, and features a brand new song, “The Ghostmaster’s Daughter.”

On this episode, Danielle discusses howspirits guide her music, her relationship to ghosts, and the liberating power of finding her voice.

Pam also talks about the feminist history of Spiritualism, and answers a listener question about a precarious prediction.

 Vera Sola’s songs featured in the audio version of this podcast episode are as follows:

“Circles” from Shades

“Bad Idea” from Peacemaker

“The Ghostmaster’s Daughter” from Ghostmaker

“Blood Bond” from Peacemaker

“Instrument of War” from Peacemaker

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Matt Marble is an artist, author, audio producer and director of the American Museum of Paramusicology ("brilliant and humbling," The Paris Review). Both creatively and through historical research, his work explores the inspired intersections of art and metaphysics and the intuitive disciplines they mutually employ. Matt is the author of Buddhist Bubblegum: Esotericism in the Creative Process of Arthur Russell("groundbreaking work," New York Times), and the producer/host of Secret Sound, a podcast exploring the metaphysical biopics of American musicians, and The Hidden Present, an audio interview series exploring intuitive discipline and spiritual imagination. Additional works have been featured by the California Festival, Warp Records, and the Philosophical Research Society. His writing, research, media production, and personal archive constitute the American Museum of Paramusicology (AMP), through which he also publishes the monthly AMP Journal.

Matt's visual art and music are often rooted in his own dreamwork divination practice--the Astramira or "Wondering Stars." This work has been featured as a solo art exhibition at Greensboro Project Space, as well as through releases of instrumental guitar music and dream songs. His album of solo acoustic guitar music, The Living Mirror, was released by UK label The Crystal Cabinet in 2021. Matt holds a BA in speech & hearing science from Portland State University, a PhD in music composition from Princeton University, and a black rattlesnake from his dreams. 

On this episode, Matt discusses the relationship between music and mysticism, favorite musician-magicians, and how dreams influence his own sonic and visual art.

Pam also talks about casting her love spell at Jinkx Monsoon’s Carnegie Hall show, and answers a listener question about witchcraft and entrepreneurship.

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