Stakeknife, real name Freddie Scappaticci, continues to be officially denied as a British agent by the Government. This is part of their Neither Confirm Nor Deny policy. Indeed the IRA itself is in denial over Scappaticci’s role, which was as a senior member of the provisionals' Internal Security Unit, responsible for rooting out IRA Volunteers who had been giving information to the RUC, Army or MI5. The methods employed by Scappaticci and fellow IRA members involved torture, and ended with shots to head, hence their nickname, the Nutting Squad.

A recent inquiry, Operation Kenova, concluded with the Head of the PSNI saying Scappaticci cost more lives than he saved. But, in that same report states he provided a VAST amount of intelligence much of which was valuable. He seemed primarily to be providing his Army handlers, the Force Research Unit, with information on what the IRA was thinking strategically. So, if much of his intelligence was valuable, that presented a complex moral challenge, particularly when one remembers there were dealing with a highly advanced insurgency that killed nearly 2,000 people during the Troubles, around 650 of whom were civilians.

But at the same time Scappaticci was, in some cases, torturing British agents himself. In addition, the same organisation, the FRU, ran another agent, Brian Nelson, within the loyalist UDA, and he was in the habit of providing addresses of suspected IRA members to his comrades, who would then pay them a visit and carry out murder and mayhem. He would obtain these details from the Army, and innocent civilians were killed, among them Patrick Finucane, a solicitor from West Belfast.

Joining today is John Ware, BBC man, Panorama presenter, and the man who broke the Omagh bombing story. He’s a highly respected journalist of the Troubles, interested in the moral compromises that had to be made during the conflict in Northern Ireland. He’s written a new book, Neither Confirm Nor Deny.

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Pericles was the foremost statesman of Athens’ classical age, dominating the political sphere, and giving his name to the building programme that produced the architecture we see on the Acropolis today. But what was he really like beyond the orator and politician? Paul Cartledge, AG Leventis Professor of Greek Culture, honorary citizen of modern day Sparta and author of a new biography of Pericles.

We discuss Pericles’ mid-life crisis, his genius for giving speeches and we start with Paul’s experience of the BBC radio programme In Our Time on which Paul often appears as a guest.

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Pericles: Statesman, Demagogue, Eccentric

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A bonus for listeners as we are blessed with an appearance by Helen Lederer, the comedian and actress. She and Giuseppe Albano join to discuss Trent Park, which was the large mansion used by the intelligence services to house senior German generals after their capture. They would be wined and dined so as to loosen their tongues, and all the while recording devices took down every word and translators searched for information to help the war effort.

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We are in the midst of Odysseymania as the new film by Christopher Nolan breaks records at the box office. Nolan’s interpretation of the poem has attracted criticism, from casting to armour but any anachronisms are simply the latest in a very long line that began in English with George Chapman’s translation in the 16th century.

Henry Power, author of Homer Haunted joins me as we discuss the new movie, why Homer will always be relevant, and we talk about some of the varied and entertaining translations that are out there.

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Homer Haunted: The Many Afterlives of an Ancient Poet

Christopher Logue: War Music

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Today we’re demob happy as holidays are upon us, and I’ve teamed up with the fabulous History Book Buffs pod to discuss our favourite history or historical fiction books to read on the sunbed so do come in, relax and listen to Antonia Senior, Roger Moorhouse and myself as we chat our happy space for books – and all the time ably marshalled by Antonia.

The Trial of Alexander the Great

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Black Sea – Neil Ascherson

Alexander the Great – Robin Lane Fox

God's Fury, England's Fire – Michael Braddick

The March of Folly – Barbara Tuchman

Dreadnought: Britain, Germany, and the Coming of the Great War – Robert K. Massie

Flashman and the Redskins – George MacDonald Fraser

Captain Corelli's Mandolin – Louis de Bernières

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After the Second World War the SAS was disbanded, but when a communist insurgency broke out in the British Imperial possession of Malaya, the SAS was reformed. In the years following the Regiment came under the command of an extraordinary soldier, George Lea, veteran of Arnhem and known as the soldier’s General.

Joining today is Rupert Hague Holmes, author of Lea’s biography as we discuss the man and the Special Air Service as it evolved from a distrusted regiment to a finely tuned counter-insurgency unit, and the envy of the United States.

Don't forget, get in touch with Rupert here for a signed copy.

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The Soldier's General

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During the Second World War the cause of Indian independence was placed on hold for the Congress party, but one man, Subhas Chandra Bose was impatient for freedom, and so in a dramatic escape from a British prison, he travelled to Nazi Germany and Japan to throw his lot in with empires committed to fighting Britain.

When the Japanese threatened to invade the British Raj 2.5million Indians volunteered to fight against them, but Bose led around 40,000 of his own countrymen against them.

Joining today is Phil Craig, author of 1945: The Reckoning – War, Empire and the Struggle for a New World as we chat about Bose, the great Indian general Timmy, the Bengal Famine and much more.

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1945: The Reckoning – War, Empire and the Struggle for a New World

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My guest today is the broadcaster and political commentator Iain Dale who has edited a new book, Generals, 69 commanders written by 69 different authors. So we find Montgomery; Napoleon; Patton; Gordon of Khartoum; Themistocles and plenty others.

We discuss the political situation in the wake of Kier Starmer’s resignation, the current British attitude to defence and plenty more.

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The Generals

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Bonus: History Book Club at Chalke

Chats with authors in 35 degree heat – we talk Cricket / Gout / U Boats and Espionage with:

Annie Chave – Cricket Changed My Life

Vic Marks – England Captains 1979-2025

Roland Butcher – Breaking Barriers

Simon Hughes – A Lot of Hard Yakka

Dorian Haskard – The Gout

Roger Moorhouse – The U Boat War

Charles Cumming – Icarus 17

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A quick bonus episode for my wonderful listeners, in the wake of the British Prime Minister resigning, I got Robert Lyman on to discuss the state of the country’s military. Robert is a former officer and now writes history books, and we chat the parlous state of our nation’s defences. I hope you enjoy, and if you have any comments, go ahead and let me know.

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The AJAX Saga

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Victory to Defeat

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