Ryan Penley is five yeas sober after a lifetime of drug and alcohol addiction, and author of the book Man Up Sober Up.

We talk about the attraction of alcohol as an adolescent, becoming an alcoholic, how people get hooked on pills after going to a doctor, the deteriorating health of an alcoholic and drug addict, getting sober, dealing with sobriety, hitting multiple rock bottoms, being intentionally blind, different strategies to get sober, finding humor in adversity, using the Baker Act to get the first three days sober, feeling overwhelming joy in sobriety, the difference between joy and happiness, the benefits of accountability in getting sober, getting sober without AA, creating a new identiy, kaizen and perpetual incremental progress, and much more!

Show notes and links mentioned in the interview are available at https://www.paultrammell.com/dream-chasers-and-eccentrics