The conversation shifts from player legacy into a bigger question that sits under everything in modern collecting: is this a hobby, an industry, or both? The panel reacts to ideas raised from Brett McGrath’s Stacking Slabs and uses it as a launch point to talk about the ecosystem that keeps cards moving, including dealers, flippers, LCS owners, breakers, repackers, and every type of market participant in between.

Jeremy lays out a blunt argument: even collectors who never sell a card still depend on selling, and many of the things people complain about are not going away, especially breaking. From there, the chat gets into real pushback, including whether breakers are truly necessary for cards to reach collectors, whether breaking is “good” for the hobby or just the industry, and how wax pricing and distribution models changed post-Covid.

In this segment:

Loyalty to one-team careers and how that impacts rookie card identity

Hobby vs industry and why the market behaves like an ecosystem

Breakers, repackers, and what actually puts singles into circulation

Flippers vs dealers and where the overlap really lives

Wax value, expected value, and why opening product is still a gamble

A collector-first take on why “industry talk” turns some people off

A practical idea for newcomers: open one box, track every card, sell everything, learn fast

This discussion lives right at the intersection of hobby identity and market reality, where emotion, nostalgia, economics, and behavior all collide. It’s candid, sometimes uncomfortable, and very much rooted in real collector experience, with the chat actively shaping where the conversation goes. There’s no attempt to settle the debate, just to understand it more clearly.

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