Few have explored the nature of being human more directly than Charles Foster. He writes about his experiences in the wild in his books, Being A Beast and, most recently, Being A Human, raising profound questions about our awareness of the natural world in the past, present and future.

The evolving nature of our perceptions of ourselves and the cosmos is also close to the work of Mark Vernon, both as a psychotherapist and writer. Are we Homo sapiens, narrans, scientificus, ignorans, noeticus - or simply loquens, never sure what we are talking about?

In this conversation, Mark and Charles explore what the Palaeolithic might inspire in us today, how big histories of humanity get so much wrong, and the consciousness that could be needed for the future.

For more on Charles' work see - https://www.charlesfoster.co.uk
For more on Mark's work see - https://www.markvernon.com