In this second conversation with legendary psychiatrist Dr. Paul McHugh, hosts Stella and Mia speak with one of the most influential voices in the gender debate. At 94 years old, Dr. McHugh brings an unparalleled perspective, having witnessed the entire trajectory of medical transition from its earliest days to the present.

Dr. McHugh is University Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, where he served as Director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences from 1975 to 2001. His career has been marked by advocacy for evidence-based psychiatry and skepticism toward approaches lacking scientific rigor.