Welcome to our deep-dive discussion on the concept of “blood libel” and its modern implications in political discourse. Malcolm and Simon Collins explore the origins, misuse, and consequences of blood libel, drawing connections to current events, statistics, and media narratives.

[00:00:00]

Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to have a conversation about how blood liable has become incredibly common among the left to the point where I’d argue that. Almost every mainstream leftist politician has engaged in blood libel.

Simon Collins: Can you explain what blood libel is to me?

I hear people talk about it on the internets, but I don’t. So

Malcolm Collins: blood libel in its traditional context is used to talk about the longstanding anti-Semitic accusation that claims that Jewish rituals require them to murder non-Jews. Often children.

Simon Collins: Where did that come from?

Malcolm Collins: Well, it came from delusional antisemitism. Largely the point of blood libel is, is it is libel. So like lying falsely accusing somebody of killing. A person of your group,

Simon Collins: which is also kind of ironic because weren’t Jews kind of famous for not exposing their young Yeah. I’ve

Malcolm Collins: mentioned this to Simone, but Tactus a Roman politician complaint.

Well, not a politician. He [00:01:00] is the guy who invented strategy. We’re probably gonna name one of our kids after them, but he complained it’s a

Simon Collins: good name.

Malcolm Collins: That because it was common to expose babies in ancient Rome, that one of the traditions he found particularly barbaric among the Jews is they didn’t expose their babies.

But the. The point I’m making here mm-hmm. Is not about that. Okay. The reason why blood libel is bad, the reason why we bring up this horrible and evil thing and we’re like, do not do this as a society. The reason why everyone’s like that’s blood libel is because what blood libel allows to lie about a group to say they are killing people.

They, they are not killing, allows and gives moral justification for other people to kill them.

Simon Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: That’s what motivates. Groms, that’s what motivates Holocaust. And it’s so wild to me that I will see leftists say, how, why? Why do we not study the Nazis? Why do we not learn about antisemitism of the past?

Why do we not learn what led to that? And I’m [00:02:00] like and then they’ll, they’ll then point at Trump like he is. What it looks like to be going down the direction of Nazim. And I’m like, this, this is not what, what do you, what are you talking about? Like this is your side that is doing all of the preparatory steps for Nazim and one of the most common is the renormalization of blood libel.

Mm-hmm. And the reason why I am pointing out that it is definitionally. Blood related to killing another group. Mm-hmm. Liable lying about a group.

Simon Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: It’s because we on the right need to start calling this out when it happened and happens and not allow people to weasel out of it. Like if somebody in the room says that blacks are disproportionately killed by police, which we’re gonna go over all the stats on this, where they say not transitioning children leads to them dying.

And we’ll go over the stats on this. Both of these things are very provably false. Unless you really like, look at the data in a absolutely cross-eyed way. Mm-hmm. , You and, and then you [00:03:00] say, and because of that, I’m allowed to act in this way. This is what we see with the Charlie Kirk shooting.

This is what we see in all of this stuff, right? They are doing what the Nazis did. They are feeding their troops with a belief and, and mainstream figures do this. I’m gonna play a figure here of the guy who runs Young Turks. This is Hassan’s wealthy uncle. Both of them super wealthy if you didn’t know that

Speaker: This brother comes along. I don’t know who man is. Uh, I mean, people say maybe that he’s got a following, but I’ve never heard of him. Right? And his brother and his, , co-conspirator, , Jagermeister or whatever, right? But this guy’s talking about, oh yeah, run over protesters. I don’t mind it. He said, so you don’t mind extreme violence running over somebody with a car?

Okay, but you know what? Why don’t we instead arrest them for exercising one of the most fundamental American rights, freedom of speech. The one, remember that you guys all pretended you were in favor of? I know some of ‘em meant it, but apparently a lot of ‘em, including Asman and Jagermeister, didn’t mean it.

They, they, they thought, oh, freedom of speech for me, for me to say that maybe you should be murdered or be made my slave, my freedom of speech. Good. And by the way, I wouldn’t cancel that. I don’t mind him saying the terrible things that he says. Now we [00:04:00] know who he is. So, and I’m not afraid of his speech.

I’m not afraid that the majority of Americans are gonna look at that and go, oh yeah, I think we should. Instead of having freedom of speech, if anyone exercises freedom of speech, , in a way that I don’t like politically, we should arrest them, take away all their rights, make sure they can’t vote, and then turn them into slaves.

No, 98% of Americans are gonna be against that, but as man thinks that’s a great idea. So he’s like, oh yeah, freedom of speech almost. It’s left wingers. How dare they protest our grab back? Let’s take away all their rights. And I don’t know if his followers were like, what an idiot.

We set freedom of speech. Dumb . Okay. Or if they’re like, yeah, yeah, we hate freedom of speech now. Now that we’re in charge, let’s turn ‘em into slaves Are 13 people watching that show? Who would like that kind of. Monstrously un-American piece of like that. Who doesn’t believe in America at all?

So if you’re watching our show, I would assume you’ve seen some of Smic Gold and you would know that he has never said anything remotely like what this guy is purporting that he has said.

And as a aside here, the reason zoomed in on the numbers at the end there is because Esmond [00:05:00] Gold completely schools this guy in terms of numbers. He releases videos every day that get multimillion views. .

Malcolm Collins: But here he is talking about Asma Gold.

Simon Collins: Okay?

Malcolm Collins: Oh, so in the clip you see him saying that Asma Gold. Supports using lethal force on protestors. Okay, so what did Asma Gold actually say? Asma Gold said if somebody attacks a law enforcement officer with a lethal object, that the law enforcement officer has the right to use lethal force in response.

He never said attacking like protestors cartilage, but he is saying that when a protestor uses lethal force, the police have an opportunity to use lethal force in response. And yet he’s running the number one like mainstream democratic podcast. And of course Hassan does this sort of stuff all the time.

And he runs the number one democratic livestream and they’re never called out for this. And we need to, like, every time they sit down, we need to [00:06:00] bring up you. Committed blood libel. You are pedaling in lies and conspiracy theories that get people killed and you need to recant them. Okay. And I’ve recently had an opportunity of having to force a journalist to do this.

Right. I was just like that. That is a lie and you are lying and you can’t do that anymore. This is 2025. Mm-hmm. And I think it getting mad at them and putting them on the back foot in the way the wokes used to do to us is absolutely critical because they used to do this whole, I’m have the moral high ground, don’t you know, that kills people, don’t you know?

And now you just remember your statistics and you can come out and be like, you are lying and people have died as a result of those exact lies. And you need to take responsibility for the death that you are lying leads to. And you should not be platformed until you apologize for lying to people [00:07:00] in a way that leads to minority populations dealing with more victimization

.

For a quick example of what I mean here, I thought we’ll get into more. Who suffers when you remove police from black neighborhoods? Oh, yes, the communities.. That’s why see black communities being much more against defund police than white communities.

Malcolm Collins: So before we go further here because I wanna get into the, the black cop statistic that they always use in their blood libel and the trans statistic they use in their blood libel. Yeah. Do you have any thoughts here?

Simon Collins: I wanna hear you debunk things, but you’re absolutely right. I just had never contextualized it as that.

And I think that you’re right. That. One of the most important first steps in combating it is calling it out when you see it. So I’m glad you’re bringing this up. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And when they say X person is a Nazi, you take them aside and you’re like, how? Exactly how you, you are on the side that attacks Jewish students on site in college campuses.

You are of the side who wants to divide us by our [00:08:00] ethnic group because he is enforcing the law equally regardless of people’s ethnicity. They’re like, he’s arresting people in front of their children. Does having your children in front of you make you immune to the law? Like what are you talking about?

But anyway, to continue here, like it would, it would be a horrible precedent if we said, oh you could gimme a crime. Just have kids. And then, because then criminals are gonna have a bunch of kids so that they can’t get arrested. Like, what? Yeah, what are you?

Simon Collins: It’s just going to lead to a bunch of mistreatment of young people, not, not good.

Malcolm Collins: What are terrible precedent to set. But anyway, continue. Black Americans make up. About 13% of the US population would account to 25 to 26% of fatal police shootings. Now. You’re gonna hear that and you’re like, wow, that does sound like a disproportionate amount of police shootings or black people. Now let’s go over some other stacks that may contextualize that.

Simon Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: So, 25 to 26% of fatal police shootings are black people. Okay? If we use the FBI uniform crime reporting UCR data for [00:09:00] 2023, the murder rate was 40.8%. Black blacks are. Oh, let’s say 25.5% of the fatal shootings by police, but they make up over 40% of murderers. Okay. And keep in mind it’s been higher in previous years getting up to 56.3% in one year.

Simon Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: So. Let’s, let’s, okay. You’re like, okay, well, you know, it, it, it, it, it just some murders, or maybe the murders are, are, are fluctuating or inaccurate. So let’s, let’s go to the UN UCR data on other things. What percent of robberies are done by black people? Okay. Remember, 25% of police shootings,

Simon Collins: okay?

Malcolm Collins: 51.3%.

Simon Collins: Oh. No aggravated assaults.

Malcolm Collins: 33.2%. No, no,

Simon Collins: no, no, no.

Malcolm Collins: So you’re, you’re getting 40% of murders, 50 over 50% of [00:10:00] robberies, over 30% of aggravated assaults, and 25.5% of police shootings.

Simon Collins: Oh, bad, bad look. So very bad. When people,

Malcolm Collins: and, and we’re gonna go over people died horrible deaths. During Black Lives Matter, we’ll get over people who were burned alive.

We’ll go over all sorts of people were burned alive. Yeah. They burned a guy alive in his shop locking him inside and lighting it on fire. They said, I know. Oh, knowingly not. They said not knowingly. But this, when, when Tim Waltz was saying, I love the smell of those businesses burning, which by the way were most, that was his wife minority who opened

Simon Collins: the window to smell right.

She’s

Malcolm Collins: smelling people’s burning bodies. Dying over a lie that leftists used during an election cycle to attempt to win. Okay. And what should have been getting to people is that if you look at the, the this, this, I’ll just go into this here. Yeah. This was a death of Oscar Lee Scott Jr. A 30-year-old man whose body was found in the rubble of a burned out pawn shop Maxxi Pond in Minneapolis in [00:11:00] 2020.

Oh God. So, yeah he, he slowly died from injuries and smoke inhalation as the building collapsed. And there was around 19 to 25 death nationwide due to them. For some examples of this, you had David Dorn, a 77-year-old black. Police captain who was shot and killed trying to protect a pawn shot from looters in St.

Louis, Missouri. You had Italian Marie Kelly, a 22-year-old woman who was fatally shot on March 31st while leaving a protest. And getting caught in unrelated gunfire. And, and keep in mind, it isn’t just me saying actually, if you look at the statistics, blacks are not disproportionately killed by police.

If you, if you apply any credulity to this, right? And, and keep in mind even the stated goals of Black Lives Matter are not what black communities want. Like they want to defund the police, and yet the majority of black Americans do not want defunded police or less police presence in their communities because they’re the ones who get.

Victimized by this higher rate of crime. Yeah. [00:12:00] Right. Like their communities, like this crime. When I talk about these higher black crime rates, blacks are the vast majority of victims of these higher crime rates. It was black businesses that were burned down, black and Hispanic businesses that were the majority of the businesses that were burned down during these protests.

Yeah. The left lies to people in ways that damage the property and neighborhoods that they say that they are protecting. They do not. And, and, and I point out here, this is not just about this stuff. You look at like, oh, well, we need more money for schools. Recently, Mississippi has the highest black use literacy rate in the country, very conserved Mississippi.

Simon Collins: Wow. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: And they, they’ve likely got the best education program in the world and they did it. We might do a full episode on this because it’s really fascinating. I’d like to, it wasn’t by injecting a bunch of more money into schools. Actually they have one of the lowest rates of, of school money.

But what they did is they said kids aren’t allowed to graduate the third grade until they can read at a certain level. They just retake this, the grade every year. They were warned that this is happening. So

Simon Collins: Child left behind.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Literally. [00:13:00] We will leave you behind the dump, like

Simon Collins: Simone’s for context.

Like forever ago, president George W. Bush introduced this initiative in US public schools called No Child Left Behind, which spoiler alert didn’t work out so well in improving student outcomes. Focusing on the lowest common denominator is not

Malcolm Collins: a good idea. It turns out

Simon Collins: ideal. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And not letting people feel shame and embarrassment for failing is not good.

Mm

Simon Collins: mm

Malcolm Collins: Having to repeat a grade is great motivation to learn. Your stuff. So I was point out at her college that she went to undergrad at gw. They now have a remedial mandatory reading course. Well,

Simon Collins: when I went, I, I went to college from 20 2006 to 2010 and my, every freshman that went through the George Washington University had to take a.

Remedial writing class upon matriculating, which is, so j

Malcolm Collins: just you by the way, you understand how different these rates are in Mississippi. The black reading rate is now over 50% for fourth grade. That’s awesome. That is awesome. And in California [00:14:00] it’s around 25%?

Simon Collins: Yeah. I mean, I shouldn’t, I shouldn’t say awesome when I still, you know, you want it to be.

Higher, 98% I’m point out here is

Malcolm Collins: that dims don’t actually care about these populations. And, and we pointed this study out a million times, but it is useful to know is that the income gaps between blacks and, and whites and Hispanics is significantly smaller in Republican districts than it is in Democrat districts.

They just do not care. It is a complete fraud. So, Royal Friars 2016 Harvard study. So this is a Harvard study, okay. Trusts the science guys, an empirical analysis of racial differences in police use of force. Analyze over a hundred and. Sorry. 1,300 officer involved shootings from Tim, major US police departments with data from blah, blah, blah.

Black individuals were more likely to be involved in police shootings, but after controlling for contextual factors, civilian demographics encountered demographics like time of day and suspect resistance officer details, and whether a weapon was present. No racial differences were found in the likelihood of being shot in some.

[00:15:00] Specifications black individuals were 23.5 to 27% less likely to be shot than non-black, non-Hispanic individuals. So, so when you make corrections, black individuals are 23.5 to 27.4, less likely to be shot than other arrested groups. If, if you’re gonna commit a, a lethal crime and you’re controlling for, for everything else, which, which you obviously are, because you’re doing that through committing the crime, you should be in blackface.

That’ll like protect bullets flying at you apparently. So like, that’s, that is wild. So, then there’s Joseph Rios 2019 study, which is really interesting. It was in PNS PNAS it was later. Retracted due to public misuse. They said although the DA data integrity wasn’t questioned, so the data’s fine.

They just do, oh, it’s just

Simon Collins: the public can’t handle the truth, is what they’re saying.

Mm-hmm.

Public misuse, man. It said,

Malcolm Collins: However, when they modeled against country level violent crime rates by race as proxy, for example, high risk police encounters, there was no evidence of anti-black disparity. The, [00:16:00] the odds of a black civilian being fatally shot relative to white was significantly lower odd.

0.13. White officers were not more likely to shoot civilians than non-white officers. So again, this is not a, a white officer problem or a problem of racism if the black cops are doing it just as much. And then there’s Cesario AL’S 2020 study considering Violence Against Police by Citizen Race and Ethnicity.

This is data from the Washington Post fatal shootings, Texas and California. Benchmarks against violence towards police, feist killings of officers assaults with firearms and knives from FBI, CIOCA da. Mm-hmm. Nationally in Texas, black individuals were not more likely than white individuals to be fatally shot.

It’s just. Not true,

Simon Collins: I think. Okay. So if I were someone on the left trying to respond to what you just said, I would say, well, yeah, but they are subject to systemic racism, which puts them disproportionately in positions where they’re committing [00:17:00] crimes that are putting them in the line of fire. Even though when they do commit those crimes, they’re less likely to actually get shot.

Malcolm Collins: I, I think, that’s like a, a dumb argument for a few reasons. First dumb reason is, that why is it then that blacks in Republican districts are, presumably they are subject to more systemic racism? Are,

. Have better economic conditions relative to white populations than in democratic de democratic districts.

Right? To me, that would indicate that what whatever is causing these disparities is directly tied to democratic policy. And we actually see this in iq measured iq. I’m not saying that there’s a genetic difference in iq, but there is. Blacks do score lower on tests in the United States. And you could say, well, this is due to you know, discrimination.

And it’s like, but then why are the scores closer, which they are. In Republican held districts than in Democrat held districts. Why, why, if it [00:18:00] is this, this apparent like Republican, systemic racist system, why is it that that seems to help them and whatever you do seems to hurt them, right? I, I think that that just completely blows.

This narrative out of the water. I think the better argument, if I was gonna argue from my opponent’s side

Simon Collins: mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Would be to say, well, all of the statistics around blacks committing murder more and blacks committing aggravated assault more is actually not that blacks actually do it more, it’s that they are more likely to be convicted due to racism.

And they are more likely to be investigated by the police and chased by the police due to racism. Mm-hmm. Two, my, my, my answer to this is Okay that that could be possible, but I’d ask you to use your common sense around what types of murders police actually care about. And I, I’m even, I’m even saying, let’s, let’s put our racist hats on here.

Let’s put our, the police are racist monsters, hats. Okay. Police racist monster hat on. [00:19:00] Alright. Who do they care about? They care about white women. I’ll try to find one of the themes. White woman shot,

Speaker 3: White woman in trouble.

Malcolm Collins: You know, to try to, you know, get the police out. But, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, they, they care about wealthy people being shot.

Those are the, it’s the classic

Simon Collins: trope. Yes.

Malcolm Collins: Those are the murders that they spend more time investigating. Okay. So, there is a correlation between wealth and race in this country. And, and, and there is a likely a correlation between like, and so who’s killing, who’s killing white people? White people kill white people who kills black people.

Black people kill black people. So you go to the ghetto, somebody walks over and gets shot. Do you really think that that crime is gonna be given as much attention by the police department as somebody in a white suburb being shot? Really? Really? You think that that crime’s getting the same amount of attention?

If anything, I would argue these statistics are likely well under, even if [00:20:00] you account for racism because

Ian, stop your giggling.

So happy here and say hi. And then you have to go. Do you wanna come in and say hi to the fans? Come in quickly and then you have to go and you only get your computer if you’re good. Okay. So, okay. Do you wanna say hi? Yeah.

Simon Collins: Hi. Can you tell them to like, and and subscribe? Yeah, go ahead.

Malcolm Collins: They

Octavian Collins: can subscribe.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Mm. Okay. And do you love mom and dad?

Octavian Collins: Yeah. If the, if the one subscribe, they

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Okay.

Octavian Collins: Okay. And if you like a subscribe, you get to see me all. And of the other videos, one that make a, and did the ferry

Malcolm Collins: come this morning? Could you show them your missing tooth?

Octavian Collins: Oh open your mouth. It a fairy. Yeah, right here.

You see [00:21:00] it feel kind of, so you can see. What did she hide

Malcolm Collins: under your pillow?

Octavian Collins: He hide under my pillow. What about with Pikachu on it and it was through a fruit laps.

Malcolm Collins: How do you think she got it under your pillow without you waking up? That must have been incredibly difficult.

Octavian Collins: The tooth fairy might be invisible or something.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, go. And if you come back, you don’t get your computer tonight. Close the doors. Okay. Okay. I love that kid. That is, that I, I do too. But that is one of the hardest traditions to, to parental scams.

Simon Collins: I do not

Malcolm Collins: Who, who came up with the under the pillow thing?

Simon Collins: Yeah. It’s not just you have to sneak into the bedroom.

It’s not just you have to like, make it past the room. It is all the way to their beds. Do you, you guys don’t realize how light of sleepers our kids are. Our son Torsten is just literally up all night. I, I wake up in the middle of the night. I pull up the camera feed. He’s just walking around talking to himself.

I mean, he just doesn’t sleep. What are we gonna do when his teeth start falling [00:22:00] out?

Malcolm Collins: Right. But the, the point I was making is the problem is, is even if you assume racism and you assume the most racist of police departments, you need to offset the racism of extra black convictions with the racism of not paying nearly as much attention to black deaths.

Um mm-hmm. Which, if you’re being practical, almost certainly outweighs the conviction racism. Which almost certainly then. Again, weight statistics,

Simon Collins: assortative mating and assortative killing.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, it, it’s a, it, it’s a big deal that this lie became so common, right? Like it’s a very, very, very big deal because it led to a lot of deaths and a lot of stupid decisions that led to even more death.

Like Portland’s insane idea to decriminalize like all drugs, then let it Portland with Seattle’s. I, I forgot one of those states. No, it was Portland. It turned it into this like hellhole where people were dying on the streets all the time. I think they

Simon Collins: reversed that decision though. Yeah, they

Malcolm Collins: did [00:23:00] because people dying on the streets all the time.

People were like, oh, I don’t like stepping over dead bodies on my way to work every day. This was not a good idea. Not ideal. But, and it, and it, if you wanna be like, oh, how is it that blacks do better under Republican health districts? Well, maybe because we don’t do things like normalized fentanyl.

Okay. Like there, there is a, there is a reason that, that people suffer under democratic policies. Right? There’s a reason why Mississippi has these great reading rates, but let’s go to the next blood libel. That is so common. By the way, do you have any counter arguments or pushback that you would give here?

Simon Collins: No. I, I don’t. Aside from the but systemic racism argument, I, I don’t really, I mean, I guess, I, I would say if I were on the opposing side. That there is more black on black crime because again, black people in the United States are subject to systemic disadvantage and therefore more likely to be impoverished and therefore my [00:24:00] more likely to be drawn into gang violence and crime and levels of stress that compromise their ability to.

Think straight and make them extra stressed and extra likely to react to things violently because, and everyone does when they’re insecure in terms of food and housing.

Yeah.

What about that? That counts, right? I think that’s fairly.

Malcolm Collins: The problem is even when you control, so if we’re talking about like higher crime rates mm-hmm.

And this is well studied as well. Even when you control for income black crime rates are way higher than than other asset groups in the United States. Now we can, well, yeah. I guess

Simon Collins: the argument I, I would’ve made as, as someone in opposition about the Republican districts is what, they’re probably also likely more wealthy and less urban, and you’re just going to get lower levels of crime and higher levels of.

In general income or education in like sub wealthy suburban areas?

Malcolm Collins: Sorry, what was the last thing you said [00:25:00] there?

Simon Collins: You’re going to get lower levels of crime and higher levels of income in wealthy suburban areas. And also the places that are impoverished. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Are more likely

Malcolm Collins: to be just white?

Wait. Simone. Simone. Republican districts are poorer on average, I’m pretty sure. Yeah, but I

Simon Collins: think so. I think if we looked at it. The Republican districts that are racially mixed are probably higher income, and the republican districts that are impoverished are mostly white. If we were to look at the data,

Malcolm Collins: I could maybe see this argument.

I don’t know. To me it, this argument seems pretty trying. I’m

Simon Collins: just trying to steal, man, this, I mean, this isn’t my inborn argument here. I’m trying to,

Malcolm Collins: well, I know. I, this is the thing, right? Like. People begin to engage in violence for reasons, right? And you can attempt to address those reasons.

Mm-hmm. And I think that the ways that Democrats try to address or [00:26:00] not address those reasons just ignore the problem. They’re like, well, yeah. I mean, that’s

Simon Collins: the thing is, is, is if food and housing insecurity are causing these things putting people into cycles of poverty and food insecurity and housing insecurity, by not.

Empowering them to get their own jobs, but rather giving them the bare minimum they need to scrape by. And then occasionally having that bottom out or disappear or not work is only going to entrench them in this cycle. And, and it makes things worse. I totally agree with you on that.

Malcolm Collins: So, the other blood libel that is incredibly common on the left, and now they point out with the gold video, they’ll, they’ll point this out about everything.

Everyone saying, Charlie Kirk like, encouraged the killing of X population or Y population. There was a lie going around that he encouraged the killing of gay people. Right

Speaker 4: claiming that, uh, you know, queer people are defective and dangerous. And, and should be, uh, be executed. I mean, that’s sort of polarizing language that contributes to this environment, uh, this loss of civility and, and encourages violence directed towards the enemy, whatever the stripe, and we [00:27:00] are seeing this from, from both sides.

Malcolm Collins: . And he was quoting derisively, somebody else specifically pointing out when somebody was like, oh, the Bible’s all like love and whatever.

Yeah. And he’s like, well, the Bible

Simon Collins: also said, you know, throw gay people off roofs or something, and

Malcolm Collins: it was a stone. Gay people. Yeah. And what he was pointing out there is that the Bible isn’t all sunshines and kittens and everything like that. He was not saying that you should stone gay people, right?

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He was saying that these people. Want to create this fictionalized God is love stuff. You know, that, that, that’s, that, that maybe what you say, but like Engage was reality, right? Yeah. Engage was the book as it exists in the history as it exists, which is frankly a really based thing to say as a Christian, right?

Yeah. So what I’m pointing out here is that people will do this, whether it’s Toma Gold or him or anyone else. Everywhere. And I think we on the right need to be way more ferocious on calling out blood libel. And it is, this is a great thing about using the term blood libel. Blood libel doesn’t say Jewish blood libel.[00:28:00]

Right? Like the way the term is constructed is very clear in its meaning. It is lying libel. Mm-hmm. About a group killing another group. Yeah. What. Plain and simple.

Simon Collins: Very, very straightforward. And it’s bad

Malcolm Collins: to do it to Jewish people to say that Jewish people kill other people in rituals that they do not have, just as it is bad to do it to Charlie Kirk because it is being done with the same motivation, the same intent, well, the same desired outcome.

It’s to

Simon Collins: create Yeah. Your, your, or to frame a. Dislike group as inhuman and monstrous in the end.

I had also note here that it would be pretty good for Jews as well if a large political faction started caring about how bad blood libel was again, and applied that not just to themselves, but to any group that was being hit with blood libel.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And so I’ll be quicker on the trans stuff because we go over this so often. UK banned puberty blockers in youth. The numbers. So basically we have a whole country of the national experiment, have not statistically [00:29:00] risen.

The numbers of unliving have not statistically risen. We found out after Travis stock was shut down, that they had done a study on what, how puberty blockers relate to wanting to unli yourself and self-harm. And it turned out that it increased it. So it is literally them. That are leading to the deaths of children.

But they hid those numbers because and they were forced to publish them by, by court because the court was like you can’t hide this data, right? Like, this is very important that the public knows this. And even within the United States when they were arguing before the Supreme Court, the first trans lawyer chase, Strang, Gio, to ever argue before the Supreme Court had to say, when pushed on, is there any.

Evidence for this. He said, quote, there is no evidence that gender affirming treatments reduce. The S word. Mm. He responded, clarifying and, and, and he, and he tried to say just, you know, how he tried to wease a out of it, which I think is also important. Mm-hmm. He said, well, what I’m referring to is there is no evidence in some, [00:30:00] is that the studies and the treatment reduces completed s word.

And the reason for that is completed as thankfully. Oh my gosh. Wait. No, he’s

Simon Collins: just, so Wait. Youth gender transition just makes you too dumb to actually. Finish the job.

Malcolm Collins: You should watch your video on, on how it likely lowers IQ pretty severely. Oh my God. And the main study used to argue it doesn’t, was literally done by the head of the wpath.

They can’t even

Simon Collins: do it right now.

Malcolm Collins: Rare, but that’s not what we would arguing here. But, but what’s important about this because I actually think that this is, this is really important, so. If what we are seeing is that statistically speaking, the rate of unliving does not go up after, after transition, right?

But trans people who are not allowed to transition report a higher rate of wanting to, it means that this report is. A lie. They are doing that thing where you, you’re, you’re like, I’m gonna kill myself if you don’t do X. Yeah. [00:31:00] If

Simon Collins: you, if you leave me, I’ll do it. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. They’re doing that to their parents, to society.

Mm-hmm. And they know they don’t mean it, they’re just acting like actual psychopaths.

Simon Collins: Yeah. And well, there are not even psychopaths. I mean, I, I, I can relate to this as. Someone who’s become hyper fixated on things. Sometimes you just get to this point where you’re like, I, I, I have to have this thing. It is the only thing that matters. I must have it. And if I don’t have it, I would rather not exist.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I can see

Simon Collins: that. So, yeah, I, I don’t,

Malcolm Collins: but, but I mean, the, the, the normalization of that desire is, part of the problem here. The, the, the, the, the, well, I mean, that’s why we have a different perspective than them on whether or not the Dutch protocol is the right treatment for gender dysphoria. Hmm.

And, and I think that as a society we’re getting closer and closer. They’re being like, okay. No, but I think that we need to be just like a lot louder on this stuff when somebody comes at you and they say. Or you hear, because [00:32:00] this is where it’s much more likely to be. You as a person are not gonna deal with people saying this sort of thing.

They’re going to say it about somebody else. They’re gonna say it about an influencer, they’re gonna say it about Charlie Kirk. They’re gonna say, and, and for so long on the right, it was just normal to not bite their head off and be like, that is a lie. And it’s the exact type of lie that got him killed.

Hmm. And it is a lie that you are knowing and, and not a lie. Sorry, we can’t use the word lie. That is blood libel and it is the exact blood libel that got him killed.

Simon Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And blood libel is called, again, blood libel because you are lying about another group, murdering a group in order to dehumanize him with the goal of stripping.

And, and we’ve seen that there was this great thing in California recently where one of the ladies running for governor. With asked by a reporter who she then assaults

Speaker 6: How would I need them in order to win, man? Well, unless you think you’re gonna get 60% of the vote, you think you’ll get 60 per all. Everybody who did not vote for Trump will vote for you. That’s what what you’re saying. In a general election, yes. If it is me versus [00:33:00] a Republican, I think that I will win The people who did not vote for Trump, what if it’s you versus another Democrat?

I don’t intend that to be the case. So how do you not intend that to be the case? Well to those voters. Okay, so, so you, I don’t wanna keep doing this, I’m gonna call it. Okay, thank you. You’re not going to do the interview with us? Nope. Not like this. I’m not, not with seven follow ups to every single question you ask.

Every other candidate has answered our follow-ups. I don’t care. I don’t care.

Malcolm Collins: her numbers have dropped, thankfully because she has a long history of this. She, she threw boiling water on her husband, boiling potatoes,

Simon Collins: scalding mashed potatoes, I think.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So anyway, really horrifying woman who somehow was in the lead to be the democratic governor of Sanford, not anymore California. Yeah. But they were just asking her like, well, what about the people who voted for Trump? Like, what are you gonna do for them? And she’s like, I don’t need that.

Like basically they don’t matter to me. Yeah. And they, they are not relevant as human beings to me. Like, I don’t actually serve them. They are [00:34:00] subhuman. And you see this so commonly throughout parts of the left at this point. And this is a mindset that they’ve been able to develop because it has become normalized to use blood libel in their community without pushing back.

And I think we need to say we push back at this point going forward. We need to, and I, and I say this and you, Simone, you hear this as somebody who’s probably more even minded than me. You’d argue that probably every mainstream democratic political figure has used blood level. Or would you say that like it is just a totally normal thing to do on the left to say he’s killing X?

Simon Collins: I think that discounts the really high number of actually fairly normal, high, highly localized state and local politicians in the United States, but mainstream politicians, I think are more likely to be tied into these, these falsities.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I think that it’s, it’s, it’s good to be able to grab words that they know why they shouldn’t do it.

And if they’re [00:35:00] like, well, don’t use that term that that’s bad because of how it hurt the Jewish people gonna be like, okay, break it down for me. Break it down for me. Why is blood libel bad? Because it is used to dehumanize other populations so that violence can be committed against them by lying about them killing people.

That is why what we were supposed to learn from that we apparently haven’t learned. Okay. What we were supposed to learn from the stigmatization of that. And you’re like, well, you know, but, but Jews, but Jews, no, no, no, no. And Jews will tell you this today, if they’re like the sane one, it’s not the far progressive, like Wilkie ones Jews shouldn’t be treated as different than other populations.

This leads to negative things, right? If something is bad to do to Jews, it’s bad to do to everyone.

Simon Collins: Jews don’t get some

Malcolm Collins: special list of, well, you can’t do this to Jews, but you can do it to anyone else. And it’s fine. You know, we learn these things about Jewish [00:36:00] populations because they are relevant to all populations.

Yeah. And what I actually really like about this and, and pulling out this idea here because it, it can turn on its head the very way that they used to be able to say to us, your actions are leading to death. And they were lying. Whether it’s around police officers killing black people disproportionately or whether it’s around you know, gender transition leading, leading to death.

And they’re like, you’re killing kids by doing this. You’re doing, you know, you’re, you’re killing people by doing this. You’re ex is, we now get to pull the exact Uno reverse card. Actually, that very thing that you just did, that you just said to me leads to people dying. And is a lie. Oh, and I can go over the data with you or, or you can admit that you just don’t care.

Your goal is to dehumanize your political opponents so that they will be killed or otherwise stripped of their rights.

Simon Collins: Mm. See you like, you also enjoy the richness of [00:37:00] this comparison because it once again points out the hypocrisy of a major progressive. Strategic ideological point. They

Malcolm Collins: just said I shouldn’t be saying something because it could lead to people dying.

And now I’m saying, but provably what you are saying can lead to people dying and is not true.

Simon Collins: Mm.

Malcolm Collins: So if you believe that because it could lead to people dying, means that I should be shamed for saying it and should stop saying it, then you need to live by your own logic and do the same now that you are familiar with the data that had been hidden from you.

Simon Collins: Yeah. Oof. Yeah. No, that’s, it’s, it’s rich. It’s rich, it’s hypocritical. It’s, it’s it’s a bad look and yeah, I can get why you, you like putting it out. Here’s our scrunchie, scrunchie man, by the way.

Malcolm Collins: And I’d love to see it become normalized and I think that it’s something that, and, and, and by the way, if anyway, it’s like, well, as a Jew I find it offensive.

You say [00:38:00] that, and I say, well, as a non-Jew, I find it offensive that you think that Jews should get some sort of different treatment, that something’s unethical when it’s done to Jews, but not to anyone else.

Simon Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: You know what, what do keep saying as a Jew, you don’t, sorry. As a non-Jew, I’m saying, you shouldn’t be dehumanizing me.

You shouldn’t say that. I deserve less rights than you.

Simon Collins: Yeah, and I mean, we, we’ve also had people recently sent to us like, Maui protests and, and Mori protests in New Zealand where

Malcolm Collins: yelling at, they’re, they’re specifically

Simon Collins: basically arguing for continued discrimination because they want to continue to have sort of different and special rights.

So yeah, I mean, it’s. It’s, it’s difficult to have groups that say that they advocate for equality when they also distinctly are fighting for differential or separate treatment. But we have a lot of that.

Yeah. [00:39:00]

But again I know you hate this, but it just comes back to, for me, external versus internal locus of control or lo loci, loci of control.

That, that they think that it is equal. To have quotas and minimums and special treatment because external factors render them unequal. Whereas the different internal locus of control frame of mind is such that yes, we’re all born unequal, but we should be given equal opportunity. And that doesn’t mean favoring one group or giving one group privileges.

It means. Making an open playing field and, and I complicated

Malcolm Collins: the black community things that you’re talking about. If they’re like, well, why are blacks still in poverty? You know, they had everything start taken from them. They started with nothing. As I always point out, Japanese Americans had everything taken for them much more recently.

Simon Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: During the internment and now out earn white people. So how are they out earning white?

Simon Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Right? Like, no. No. How are they out earning white people? If, [00:40:00] if it turns out that you can just take everything from a group and then they’re never gonna be able to get back up? Like how is it that the Japanese facing more recent discrimination are out earning white?

And I’m not saying that they’re earning the same as white people today. I’m not saying they’re earning less. I’m saying how are they outearning white people today? It’s because cultural differences lead to differences in outcomes. Yeah. Yes. Historic discrimination can play a role in black sorry. And Japanese would be even more wealthy if they hadn’t experienced that discrimination.

But it is overcomeable.

Simon Collins: Yeah, absolutely. No, it’s, it’s, it’s a, I like the contextualization. I think I’ll be using it. I appreciate your explaining blood label to me in the first place, because I just haven’t been. Curious enough team, a lot of people are gonna read

Malcolm Collins: about that. Like when you point about being racist against white people, you can’t use blood libel against white people and then you just have to explain what the word means.

And definitionally yes you can. And that’s why we learned not to do this anyway. Love you Simone [00:41:00] for dinner tonight. I’d love some reang.

Simon Collins: Okay. Actually, I think I might’ve thought some out there was there was curry in the freezer that was like, I think this is rending. Okay. So can I put that over rice for you after?

Sure. Whatever it is, I’ll have it. Okay, thanks. Yeah. ‘cause I thought it out and I wanna simmer it and, obviously if it’s really bad, it’s really fast for me to make my rendering. So either way, you’ll get something delicious tonight

Malcolm Collins: and feel free to simmer it in coconut milk because I think that rendering often needs more, or olive oil.

Simon Collins: I’m not sure if it’s rendering though. So it depends on how, how viscous it is. Okay. If it’s, if it’s really dry, sure, I’ll add coconut milk or whatever seems to be most appropriate given whatever it turns out to be. I now I’m better at labeling things in the freezer, but I was not for a spell, so paying the price.

Alright, how

Malcolm Collins: can I help you tonight?

Simon Collins: Carry Ian down to the kitchen for me.

Malcolm Collins: All will do. Thank you. I

Simon Collins: love you.

Malcolm Collins: Love you too.

Speaker 8: So what are we looking at? Octavian? [00:42:00] Um, they’re looking at your turtle. So they have homes. I heard that these are dinosaur turtles. Who, where did you hear that? I heard that when I was a baby. I don’t think I ever told you that. So.

This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe