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#170: On today's episode, we welcome Lindsey Metselaar, creator and host of the popular dating podcast We Met at Acme, for an unfiltered conversation about sobriety, mental health, modern dating, relationship standards, and the narratives we create about ourselves. Known for her unapologetic opinions on dating and relationships, Lindsey opens up about the experiences that have shaped her perspective, from the breakup that inspired her podcast to the personal realizations that have completely changed the way she approaches life.
Lindsey gets vulnerable about her decision to get sober from all substances, opening up about her relationship with marijuana and the realization that the anxiety and dark thoughts she had been experiencing were actually being fueled by smoking weed. Han shares her own experience with smoking weed, but from a different perspective: using it to escape depression, anxiety, and the discomfort of sitting with herself and her emotions.
Lindsey ALSO shares her unfiltered opinions on why men know exactly how to show up when they want to, whether a man should love you more than you love him, and the dating rules she believes in (and the ones she thinks are complete bullshit).
From exclusivity and relationship standards to sharing locations, going through your partner's phone, staying friends with exes, and the infamous "bad texter," the girls challenge conventional dating advice and unpack what actually matters when choosing a partner. The girls get into:
The breakup that inspired We Met at Acme and Lindsey's desire for more honesty on the internet
Lindsey's relationship with marijuana, dependency, and the realization that weed was fueling her anxiety and dark thoughts
Choosing complete sobriety and learning to function without relying on substances
Han's experience using weed to escape depression, anxiety, and uncomfortable emotions
Rediscovering empathy, gratitude, and emotional connection after getting sober
Questioning self-imposed labels, challenging personal narratives, and learning to embrace discomfort
Why men know how to show up when they're genuinely interested
Modern dating rules, relationship standards, and whether a man should love you more than you love him
Exclusivity, sharing locations, checking phones, staying friends with exes, and dating red flags
Why someone who claims they're a "bad texter" might just be a bad texter with you
Honesty, boundaries, and accountability in female friendships
Cancel culture, comment policing, and the fear of expressing unpopular opinions
Phone addiction, overstimulation, and how constant consumption can impact our creativity and independent thinking
Reframing difficult experiences and trusting that life is happening for you, not to you
This episode is for anyone who has ever questioned their relationship with substances, struggled to sit with themselves, or wondered whether the stories they've been telling themselves are actually true. This episode is also for those interested in modern dating.
CONNECT BELOW:
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#169: On today's episode, we welcome Dr. Sarah Hensley, social psychologist, attachment theory expert, relationship coach, and host of the Dr Sarah Hensley show, who specializes in understanding how our childhood experiences, nervous systems, and attachment wounds shape the way we love, connect, and navigate romantic relationships.
Why do we chase people who can't meet our needs? Why do some people pull away the moment a relationship starts getting serious? And why can we be completely aware of our unhealthy relationship patterns, yet continue repeating them? Dr. Sarah Hensley joins Han for a deep dive into attachment theory, breaking down the psychology behind anxious preoccupied attachment, dismissive avoidant attachment, and fearful avoidant (disorganized) attachment.
Together, the girls unpack the childhood wounds and subconscious beliefs behind each attachment style, from the anxious partner's fear of abandonment and tendency to self-abandon, the fearful avoidants tendency to push, and pull, and to the dismissive avoidant's hidden feelings of defectiveness and fear of vulnerability.
The conversation also explores the difference between self-awareness and actual healing, why intellectualizing our emotions isn't the same as processing them, and how toxic hope, breadcrumbing, and inconsistent reinforcement can keep us emotionally attached to relationships that aren't meeting our needs. Dr. Hensley shares insight into radical acceptance, learning to communicate needs without fear of abandonment, recognizing when it's time to walk away, and doing the nervous system work necessary to build healthier, more secure relationships.
The girls get into:
Attachment theory explained: how childhood experiences and parental relationships shape adult romantic attachment styles
Anxious preoccupied attachment: fear of abandonment, people-pleasing, fawning, emotional dependency, and self-abandonment
Dismissive avoidant attachment: fear of intimacy, emotional unavailability, subconscious feelings of defectiveness, and why avoidants pull away when relationships become serious
Fearful avoidant (disorganized) attachment: childhood betrayal trauma, hypervigilance, the anxious-avoidant push-pull cycle, and fear of both intimacy and abandonment
Why dismissive avoidants can appear emotionally available at the beginning of dating before suddenly becoming distant
The difference between intellectualizing emotions and actually processing them through the nervous system
Why self-awareness alone isn't enough to heal trauma or break unhealthy relationship patterns
Toxic hope, breadcrumbing, inconsistent reinforcement, and why we become addicted to emotionally unavailable partners
How childhood trauma and attachment wounds can influence attraction to narcissistic or unhealthy relationship dynamics
The difference between pursuing love and actually knowing how to receive healthy love
Radical acceptance, setting boundaries, facing the pain of detachment, and learning when to leave a relationship or situationship
How to regulate emotional triggers, recondition the nervous system, and begin developing a more secure attachment style
& MORE!
This episode is for anyone looking to better understand their attachment wounds, recognize the subconscious patterns shaping their romantic relationships, and learn how to break those cycles so they can give and receive healthy love.
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#168: On today's episode, we welcome relationship coach and author Stefanos Sifandos to HOW I SEE IT to unpack why we self-sabotage relationships, how childhood trauma shapes our fear of intimacy, and what it actually takes to break unhealthy relationship patterns.
Stefanos opens up about his personal journey, navigating childhood abandonment and rejection, his past struggles with infidelity and sex and love compulsion, and the moment he was forced to confront the destructive patterns he had spent years avoiding. They explore the psychology behind cheating, emotional avoidance, shame, and whether people are truly capable of changing their behavior.
Together, Han and Stefanos unpack why self-awareness doesn't necessarily translate into transformation, how our nervous systems become attached to familiar patterns, and why acceptance is often the most uncomfortable but necessary part of the healing process.
From codependency and the need for control to intellectualizing our trauma and mistaking familiarity for safety, this conversation explores how our unhealed wounds manifest in our adult relationships and why understanding our patterns is only the beginning of breaking them.
They also get into the internalized beliefs that convince us we're too much or not enough, the discomfort of nervous system healing, and the paradox of desperately wanting to be seen while simultaneously being terrified of vulnerability.
They get into:
Why self-awareness isn't enough to create change, and the role of radical acceptance in our healing
How childhood abandonment, rejection, and unresolved trauma shape our adult relationships and attachment patterns
Intellectualizing our trauma versus actually feeling and processing our emotions
Codependency, emotional regulation, and expecting our partners to change so that we can feel better
Why our nervous systems mistake familiarity for safety, keeping us stuck in unhealthy relationship patterns
Stefanos's personal experience with infidelity, sex and love compulsion, and using external pleasure to avoid emotional pain
Once a cheater, always a cheater? Understanding the wounds behind infidelity and whether people can truly change
How our need for control prevents us from experiencing vulnerability, intimacy, and real connection
The internalized beliefs that we're "too much" or "not enough" and how they influence our self-worth
Why our unhealed wounds complicate communication, create defensiveness, and perpetuate relationship conflict
Rewriting the subconscious beliefs we developed in childhood and learning to trust the unfamiliar
The paradox of wanting to be fully seen and loved while simultaneously self-sabotaging the very connection we crave
& MORE!
This episode is for: Anyone who has spent years intellectualizing their trauma, understanding their triggers, and identifying their unhealthy patterns but still finds themselves repeating the same cycles. For those navigating childhood wounds, codependency, emotional avoidance, fear of intimacy, or the tendency to self-sabotage relationships.
CONNECT BELOW:
Follow Stefanos here
Snag Stef’s book here
Be The Queen Program here
Explore Stefanos's website here
CONNECT with HAN:
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#167: On today's episode, we welcome Sabrina Zohar back to HOW I SEE IT. Sabrina is a dating coach, host of The Sabrina Zohar Show, and author of Why Am I Like This?
Together, the girls unpack how our childhood experiences, narcissistic parental dynamics, and unresolved trauma shape the beliefs we hold about ourselves and ultimately the relationships we choose.
Sabrina opens up about her personal healing journey, navigating a complicated relationship with her father, learning to move forward without accountability, and what writing her book revealed about herself.
From rebuilding self-trust and identifying our "bullshit blueprint" to understanding attachment wounds, unhealthy dating patterns, and the stories beneath our emotional reactions, this conversation explores what it actually takes to break the cycles keeping us stuck.
They also get into anxious attachment, the role of shame in our healing, ketamine therapy, and why real change requires more than self-awareness. The girls get into:
Narcissistic parents and how it impacts our self trust
Healing without closure, accountability, or an apology
How our childhood trauma can shape our dating patterns, attachment wounds, and our ability to trust ourselves
Identifying your "bullshit blueprint" and breaking unhealthy relationship cycles
The beliefs and stories hiding beneath our emotional reactions
Anxious attachment, avoidant attachment, and why we seek external validation in relationships
Shame, self-blame, and learning to forgive past versions of ourselves through inner child healing
Why self-awareness isn't enough: taking action and getting uncomfortable are required
Ketamine therapy and different healing modalities to address our protector parts
What writing Why Am I Like This? taught Sabrina about herself
& MORE!
This episode is for: Anyone healing from childhood trauma, narcissistic parental abuse, or years of emotional invalidation. For those struggling with anxious attachment, unhealthy dating patterns, or constantly seeking external validation. If you've spent years understanding your trauma but still find yourself repeating the same cycles, this conversation is about rebuilding self-trust, challenging the beliefs keeping you stuck, and getting uncomfortable enough to finally create change.
CONNECT BELOW:
Follow Sabrina here
Follow The Sabrina Zohar show here
Buy Sabrina's book Why Am I Like This? here
CONNECT with HAN:
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Follow HOW I SEE IT here
Follow Han on Substack here
Watch HOW I SEE IT on YouTube here
Shop the podcast merch here
Work with Han: [email protected]
#166: On today's episode, Han is joined by psychologist Dr. Jacob Ambrose for a conversation about ADHD, neurodivergence, complex trauma, dating, attachment styles, trauma responses, and why healing often requires us to get deeply uncomfortable.
Dr. Jacob explains how growing up feeling different, misunderstood, or repeatedly rejected can shape our identity, our ability to form relationships, and the way we behave when we start dating someone we actually care about.
He and Han break down anxious vs. avoidant attachment, why some of us become desperate for closeness while others instinctively pull away, and what people on either side of that spectrum can actually do differently when dating and building healthy relationships.
They also talk about why people with ADHD and complex trauma may experience limerence or obsessive relationship patterns, feel chronically unseen, end up in unhealthy or toxic relationships, or struggle to know when they should actually trust their gut.
Dr. Jacob and Han also unpack intellectualizing your emotions, the difference between understanding your patterns and actually changing them, and one of the hardest questions that can come up during the healing process: What is actually me, and what is a trauma response? We get into:
& MORE!
This episode is for you if you have ADHD or identify as neurodivergent, are dating or trying to form healthier relationships while healing complex trauma, struggle with anxious or avoidant attachment, or are trying to understand what is authentically you versus what may be a trauma response.
CONNECT BELOW:
Follow Dr Jacob here
Work with Dr Jacob here
Listen to his podcast Two Dudes Talking Therapy here
CONNECT with HAN:
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Watch HOW I SEE IT on YouTube here
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#165: On today's episode, Han is joined by actress, comedian, creator, and the podcast host of Life's A Joke, Christina Kirkman, for a conversation about therapy, burnout, perfectionism, killing your ego, letting go of control, and learning to trust the unfolding of your life.
Christina opens up about how she entered the entertainment industry, and how her relationship with expressing herself started, evolved, and has grown. She and Han talk about starting therapy, and the grief that can come with healing.
They also get into using work, creativity, and humor to cope, what happens when burnout catches up with even the most driven people, and why sometimes the biggest shift comes from loosening your grip on the life you thought you were supposed to have.
Christina shares how she reached a point where the version of success she had been chasing stopped working, forcing her to kill her ego, start showing up online, and allow her creativity to evolve into something she never originally planned for. The girls get into:
Growing up in entertainment and Christina’s early start on All That
How our relationship with self-expression changes as we get older
Starting therapy, and the grief that can come with healing
Why therapy can hurt before it starts to feel freeing
Perfectionism, ambition, and the inability to admit defeat
Why burnout eventually catches up with even the most driven people
Using work and creativity to cope with what’s happening underneath
Humor as both a coping mechanism and survival tactic
Why you can’t outrun your triggers or your own mind
Killing your ego and surrendering the version of success you thought you were supposed to have
Letting go of control and allowing life to unfold differently than you planned
What happened when Christina stopped trying to be the version of herself Hollywood wanted
Building an influencing and creator career she never originally planned for
Following life’s calling instead of gripping onto your own definition of success
Why violating your authenticity eventually shows up in your body, mind, and spirit
Reconciling with the fact that you may not get to do everything you dreamed of
Following your whimsy and trusting where it leads
This episode is for you if: You’ve always been driven, ambitious, or deeply attached to a certain version of what your life and success were supposed to look like. If you’re navigating burnout, learning how to loosen your grip on control, grieving old versions of yourself, or realizing that the path you planned may not actually be the one meant for you, this conversation is for you.
CONNECT BELOW:
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#164: On today’s solo episode, Han is back from New York Fashion Week, after making some really expensive entrepreneurial mistakes and leaving New York feeling more disillusioned with the influencer industry than ever.
Han is popping the bubble on the things we put on pedestals and questioning everything we've been taught to believe about success.
We all have these imaginary markers of success. The things we convince ourselves we need to achieve, the rooms we think we need to be in, and the milestones we assume will finally make us feel like we've made it. But how much of what we're chasing is what we genuinely want, and how much of it is simply what we've been taught successful people are supposed to want?
From the realities of influencer culture to confronting her own desire for fame, Han gets honest about the expectations we create for ourselves, the relationship between ego and ambition, and what happens when the things we've spent years putting on pedestals turn out to be very different from what we imagined.
Han gets into:
The expensive entrepreneurial mistakes she made during New York Fashion Week (including hiring PR)
Popping the bubble on the things we put on pedestals in our careers
The imaginary markers of success we create in our heads
Why we equate certain achievements, recognition, and status with having "made it"
The realities of influencer culture and why followers don't equal money
Wanting to be famous and the deeper desire to feel seen and heard
The relationship between ego, ambition, and external validation
The difference between making a mistake and letting effect your perception on your self worth
Questioning whether you're chasing what you genuinely want or what you've been taught to want
Redefining success without giving up your ambition
& MORE!
This episode is for:
The highly ambitious women navigating entrepreneurship, self-worth, and the uncomfortable parts of the healing journey that force us to confront our own ego. For anyone questioning what success actually looks like for them, learning to separate their self-worth from their accomplishments, or realizing that the life they've been working so hard to build might not actually be the life they want.
Episode Chapters:
00:00 New York chewed me up and spit me out
04:07 The reality of influencer culture
06:55 My expensive entrepreneurial mistakes
09:16 Are we chasing the wrong things?
12:23 Fame, ego, and wanting to be seen
23:07 Making mistakes vs. having regrets
CONNECT with HAN:
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watch HOW I SEE IT on YouTube here
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#163: On today’s episode, Serena Kerrigan, founder of Let’s Fcking Date and author of Let’s Fcking Date: Become the Prize, Enjoy the Ride, and Never Settle Again, jumps on the podcast to talk about dating, self-worth, situationships, confidence, boundaries, and what it actually takes to stop trying to earn love.
Serena gets incredibly honest about her own healing journey, the childhood wounds that followed her into her adult relationships, and the core wound underneath the over-the-top, performative version of herself she became known for. She opens up about building an entire brand around confidence and dating while privately struggling to believe she was deserving of a healthy relationship, and what finally forced her to look at the parts of herself she had spent years avoiding.
The girls unpack how our wounds shape the way we date, the relationships we choose, and the versions of ourselves we become in an attempt to feel loved.
The girls get into:
Why trying to earn love can keep us attracted to people who reinforce what we already believe about ourselves
How she leaned on an over-the-top, performative version of yourself as a form of protection—and what was really underneath “Serena Fucking Kerrigan”
The difference between being afraid of being alone and being afraid of actually being loved
Serena’s equine therapy experience and the moment she realized there were things she still wasn’t fully dealing with
Confidence vs. performance, and why being wildly confident in your career doesn’t mean you won’t self-abandon in relationships
Why chaos, volatility, inconsistency, and the push-pull dynamic can feel like chemistry when your core wound is rooted in earning and seeking love
Situationships, ghosting, dating boundaries, and why Serena believes follow-through matters more than overanalyzing someone’s behavior
What it looks like to date from abundance rather than scarcity and the fear that there are “no good men left”
Why “nice guys finish last” is terrible dating advice—and why kindness and consistency should be the bare minimum
The pressure of the biological clock, the fear of running out of time, and why settling for the wrong relationship can cost you more in the long run
The difference between wanting a boyfriend and actually waiting for your person
The importance in addressing your past trauma, pursuing healing, and taking action even when its uncomfortable
& MORE
This episode is for you if you keep repeating the same dating patterns and don’t understand why; you’ve ever felt like you had to become a bigger, louder, more confident version of yourself to feel worthy; or you’ve confused chasing someone with chemistry. It’s for you if you’re ready to stop trying to earn love and start choosing relationships from self-worth.
CONNECT BELOW:
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watch HOW I SEE IT on YouTube here
shop the podcast merch here
work with Han: [email protected]
#162: On today’s episode, Jade Beguelin and Sabrina Sade, co-founders of 4AM, join me to talk about entrepreneurship, resilience, overcoming fear of failure, managing anxiety, trusting yourself, and continuing to build even when you have no guarantee it’s going to work.
After five years of building 4AM, Jade and Sabrina recently launched their skincare brand across over 1700 Target locations and raised over $4 million, but only weeks before launching Clean Sheets, they were having very real conversations about whether it would even work out! We talk about moving the needle even in uncertainty, the illusion of the “overnight success”, the mindset shifts that helped them keep going, and what it takes mentally and emotionally to pursue an ambitious life when there is constantly something on the line.
The girls get into:
The five years behind 4AM’s success
Building a business when you don’t know if it’s going to work
What it truly means to “fail"
Overcoming fear of failure and making imperfect decisions
Managing anxiety in high-pressure situations
Raising $4M while preparing for a major Target launch
Building resilience when entrepreneurship starts to feel overwhelming
Learning whose criticism actually deserves your attention
Why other people’s negativity is often projection
Developing self-trust when other people don’t understand your decisions
Why ambitious women have to get comfortable being misunderstood
The difference between wanting something and actually doing the work
Why there usually isn’t a “secret sauce” to success
Taking risks when the safer path no longer feels aligned
Giving yourself more without losing your ambition
Reminders when it comes to prioritizing your health and mental health while building a company
& MORE
This episode is for anyone pursuing more, building something of their own, navigating anxiety while chasing big goals, questioning whether they should keep going, or learning how to trust themselves through seasons where the outcome still feels uncertain!
CONNECT BELOW:
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#161: On this week's episode, Han sits down with Meg Reynolds, host of Not The Girl Next Door Podcast, for a raw conversation about what it actually looks like to heal loudly, break the relationship patterns we learned in childhood, and finally choose ourselves.
Meg opens up about leaving an abusive relationship, and recognizing the patterns that kept pulling her toward emotionally unavailable people. The girls talk about childhood trauma, specifically what it looks like to navigate going no contact with a parent, and why sometimes the strongest expression of self-worth is having enough courage to walk away. The girls get into:
& MORE!
This episode is for anyone who is trying to understand their relationship patterns, healing from childhood trauma, struggling to walk away from someone they love, navigating boundaries or no contact with family, or learning that choosing yourself is not the same thing as giving up.
CONNECT BELOW:
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watch HOW I SEE IT on YouTube here
shop the podcast merch here
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motivation, personal interviews, tips/expertise, & REAL life stories with unapologetic, creator Han Huante of