There are certain places that are on fire and doing really well, and there are certain places that are challenged. Right now the most challenged is the enclosed mall. And we like to say we're in the same industry, but a different business. Most of my tenants today don't have a lot of exposure. They don't operate in a in a mall, we own either grocery anchored or what we would call power centers. A Walmart anchored, a Target anchored center with a TJ Maxx, Home Goods, a McDonald's on a pad in the parking lot. If you think about who the tenants are in those centers, they're very different than in those open air, strip centers. They're very different than the tenants you see in the enclosed mall. The enclosed mall was a destinational, retail fashion oriented shopping venue. That has shifted, it used to be driven by the department stores. the enclosed model is going through a massive transformation, the open air is going through some transformation, but there's a lot of positive transformation.

In the pre pandemic, what you were seeing was this buzzword experiential retailing, which was theater and entertainment venues, but they were really going to iconic destinational retail properties, where that's not the everyday retail property in America. The everyday retail property is where someone goes and gets their nails done and picks up their groceries and grabs a slice of pizza and whatnot. And I don't know that there's going to be a huge transformation. I think that there's obviously going to be repurposing, you see a lot of the enclosed mall operators talking about maybe making deals with Amazon distribution, etc. There's going to be some of that mixed use stuff. I don't know that that's at scale.

The way we're looking at it is we're trying to assign a probability to the durability of the cash flow stream. When you're investing in retail properties, that's probably a key piece. If you think about any retailer, whomever it is, whether it's Walmart or TJ Maxx, or Starbucks, how successful is this location? How does that location fit into their grander plans? What do you expect will happen when they come up for renewal? Will they stay? Will they leave the market? Will they want to move down the road?

We had a three pillar approach through the pandemic. We called it the ate's: communicate, accommodate, and mitigate.ommunicate, accommodate, and mitigate. We need to do whatever we could to mitigate the virus, sanitize, clean our properties, and make them safe environments to shop. We needed to accommodate and work with our tenants where we could, and try to cut deals. And then we needed to communicate and continue open lines of communication. If there's anything that's positive that has happened through the pandemic is that we've had opened up the lines of communication with our tenants, our lenders, and everybody from a work from home environment more than they've ever been.

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