It takes a lot of guts to change directions in your career, especially if the path you're looking for doesn't really look like the one you came from. So if you've been thinking of moving into product management from a less "technical" field, or you're a hiring manager working with these kinds of applicants, you'll find this conversation fascinating.

In this episode, Hannah Clark is joined by Natalia Baryshnikova—GM & Head of Enterprise Agility at Atlassian—to talk about her own atypical career path and how it's helped her weave principles from the art world into her work—first as a product manager, and now as a leader.