The Ringer's Joanna Robinson returns to join Katey and look at the Oscar success of not just The Substance but also Nosferatu, and why it's good for everyone when there's a popular genre movie that the Oscars can already embrace. Then, The Brutalist director Brady Corbet calls from London, where he reflects on the long promotional campaign he's still in the middle of, what the future of Hollywood and AI should actually look like, and what he'll do on March 3 when this awards season rush is all over.

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