Canada is planning to spend close to half a trillion dollars on weapons and defence infrastructure over the next decade. So where should that investment go? Former Conservative leader Erin O'Toole warns the government may still be stuck in the old way of thinking -- and should be learning lessons from the Ukraine war fast. We also hear from the former Deputy Minister of Defence Jody Thomas about what years leading the bureaucracy taught her about what's wrong with how Canada buys military equipment.