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In 1991, a group of artists, inventors, and visionaries set out to live inside a sealed desert enclosure for two years—a bold experiment to see if humans could survive in a self-contained environment. The project made headlines, sparked controversy, and became a cultural sensation. Spaceship Earth is the riveting documentary that tells the nuanced story of the people behind this audacious experiment.

In this bonus conversation, Jake Marquez and Maren Morgan from the Death and the Garden podcast join me to explore the legacy of Biosphere 2. Together, we discuss what makes a tribe function, and why the experiment's worth revisiting today.

A horrific zombie apocalypse has ravaged the world—but hardly anyone seems to notice. One lone podcast sets out to interview those navigating this strange new reality: from people attending mindful zombie retreats and binging zombie media, to those stockpiling shotguns and fortifying bunkers, to others disappearing into the woods to build something entirely new.

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VOICE ACTING CREDITS

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Rob Dietz

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Jake Marquez

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Maren Morgan

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A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, there was an old Republic that, out of fear of a phantom menace, voted to consolidate authoritarian power—unknowingly sealing its own demise. It transformed into an Empire, bent on wielding its weapons of mass destruction to conquer all who dared resist.

But don't worry—this is just a story. It has nothing to do with us. After all, it all happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. Right?

Jake Marquez and Maren Morgan are fellow podcasters, filmmakers, and friends. We continue our mid-month bonus series where we take something from the zeitgeist and view it through a broader civilizational lens.

What insights can our ancient past shine on our political future?

Were hunter-gatherers the ultimate traditionalists—or proto-communists?

Is it possible hunter-gatherers lived with greater equality and more political freedom than most societies today?

And why do both communism and capitalism, despite being sworn enemies, rest on the same assumption of endless growth?

Psychologist Jonathan Haidt argues that humans are wired with both liberal and conservative tendencies—and that societies function best when those forces stay in balance. Where can we find the liberal and conservative elements in our hunter-gatherer past? And how might it reframe our political future?

In The King Is Dead, Now What? we explored modern political history. Now we zoom out, connecting the dots to a much broader civilizational story.

Plus, we're debuting a new segment: The State of Civilization, featuring our up-and-coming optimistic reporter Jeff Opolis, reporting on the fantastic news coming from civilization right now. Everything is great! Or… is it?

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CITATIONS

Haidt, Jonathan. "The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives." TED, 2008.

Fiddler on the Roof. Directed by Norman Jewison, United Artists, 1971.

"Net Energy and Sustainability, or… The Story of the Overstuffed Strongman." Crazy Town podcast, Post Carbon Institute, 2021.

Ryan, Christopher. Civilized to Death: The Price of Progress. Avid Reader Press, 2019.

"Ken Burns." The Joe Rogan Experience, episode 1745, Spotify, 2022.

Cronon, William. Changes in the Land: Indians, Colonists, and the Ecology of New England. Hill and Wang, 1983.

Marx, Karl. Critique of the Gotha Programme, 1875.

Hyde, Lewis. The Gift: Imagination and the Erotic Life of Property. Vintage, 1983.

Kimmerer, Robin Wall. Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge, and the Teachings of Plants. Milkweed Editions, 2013.

Norberg-Hodge, Helena. Ancient Futures: Learning from Ladakh. Sierra Club Books, 1991.

Ho, Fred. A World Where Many Worlds Fit. Big Red Media, 2008.

World Health Organization. (2024, July 24). Hunger numbers stubbornly high for three consecutive years as global crises deepen.

Colquhoun, P. A Treatise on the Police of the Metropolis.

Elhacham, Emily, et al. "Global Human-Made Mass Exceeds All Living Biomass." Nature, vol. 588, no. 7838, 2020, pp. 442–444.

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Jake Marquez and Maren Morgan are fellow podcasters, filmmakers, and new friends. Starting today, the three of us are joining forces to create monthly bonus episodes where we'll seek to better understanding this self-destructive civilizational 10,000 year predicament we find ourselves in.

In this episode we discuss artificial intelligence. We found that despite all our philosophical overlap we were advocating two different approaches when it came to AI. I was exploring the idea of a cautious adoption, Maren argued for more of an abstinence policy.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, every good conversation ends with the same conclusion: oh yeah, balance. We find ourselves there eventually. But the road we take is filled with insights, questions, and jokes.

Christopher Ryan joins the odyssey to discuss human nature - shouldn't be surprising - it's in the name! What's universal, what's cultural, and what's personal? Can we really change the culture we live in? And are some societies better suited to human well-being than others?

Christopher Ryan is the New York Times bestselling author of Sex at Dawn: How We Mate, Why We Stray, and What It Means for Modern Relationships as well as the book Civilized to Death: The Price of Progress. He also hosts the long-running podcast, Tangentially Speaking," which has been downloaded over 30 million times.

You can learn more about Christopher here.

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Breaking news: The Soviet Union has collapsed! The Berlin Wall has crumbled! Communism has fallen! Capitalism wins! USA! USA!

But wait… what's this? Russia has been overtaken by oligarchs and an authoritarian dictator. Oh no… Well, at least that could never happen in the United States. Right?

This is the climactic Part Three of our three-part series on the history of the left/right political spectrum.

After the youth protests of the 1960s failed to topple governments, left-wing radicalism shifted its focus—from revolution to championing social equality through pop culture. But as culture wars raged, neoliberalism—liberalism and capitalism's love child—conquered the globe, fueling deregulation, rising corporate power, and deepening economic divides that hollowed out democracy itself.

Just three decades after the Cold War, the old adversaries—Russia and the U.S.—found themselves on eerily parallel paths, ushering in a new era of oligarchy and a return to right-wing rule—like the one the French Revolution fought against all those years ago.

Join us as we trace how the world drifted from dreams of liberation to authoritarian control—and how a new generation began planting the seeds of liberty and equality once again.

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CITATIONS

"Vietnam War." Encyclopaedia Britannica.

"Vietnam War U.S. Military Fatal Casualty Statistics." National Archives.

Thatcher, Margaret. Speech to the Conservative Women's Conference. May 21, 1980.

Wong, Edward. "China's Black Cat, White Cat Diplomacy." Foreign Policy, July 10, 2009.

Reagan, Ronald. Speech at Reagan-Bush Rally in Warren, Michigan. October 10, 1984.

"Distribution of Household Wealth in the U.S. since 1989." Federal Reserve.

Davidson, Amy. "Exploring Occupy Wall Street's Adbusters Origins." NPR, October 20, 2011.

"Youth Voting in 2016 Primaries and Caucuses." CIRCLE, Tufts University.

Kestenbaum, David. "How Shock Therapy Created Russian Oligarchs and Paved the Path for Putin." NPR, March 22, 2022.

Steele, Jonathan. "How Football Conquered Russia." The Guardian, July 2, 2003.

Harding, Luke. "Roman Abramovich: The Billionaire Oligarch with a Backstory Shrouded in Secrecy." The Guardian, March 21, 2022.

Keats, Jonathon. "Design of Dissent." Forbes, October 28, 2019.

Birnbaum, Michael. "Occupy Wall Street Protests Go Global." The Washington Post, October 15, 2011.

Jojo Rabbit. 2019. Directed by Taika Waititi.

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In the The King Is Dead, Now What? we're exploring the history of the left / right political spectrum and the 250 year struggle for democracy.

In Part 1 we started telling the story that began with the French Revolution of 1789, when those in favor of monarchy sat on the right wing of the national assembly room and those in favor of revolution sat on the left wing.

In the wake of the 1848 revolutions, the struggle between left and right gave rise to three major political ideologies—conservatism, liberalism, and radicalism—each offering a distinct vision for society. These competing forces would ignite a global struggle for power.

In this episode, we trace the ongoing clash between these ideologies, imagining them as bickering gods, each vying for control of the human realm. From the Russian Revolution and the collapse of monarchies after World War I to the rise of fascism, the global conflict of World War II, the Cold War standoff between the U.S. and Soviet Union, and the global youth protests of 1968, we explore how these powerful ideas collided, evolved, and continue to shape the struggle for power, equality, and freedom.

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Articles

Narewska, Elli. "Tsar Nicholas II Abdicates." The Guardian, March 3, 2017.

Hoffmann, David L. "The October Revolution in Russia" Ohio State University Origins, 2017 "The Paris Riots of 1968, Part 1." CBC Radio, April 24, 2018.

Keats, Jonathon. "Design of Dissent." Forbes, October 28, 2019.

Baker, Peter. "CIA Helped Arrest Mandela." Time, February 2023.

Statista. 2022. "Second World War: Share of Total Population Loss." BBC Bitesize. "The Vietnam War: Casualty Statistics." U.S. National Archives. "Vietnam War Casualty Statistics." ECPAT International. "How Many Vietnamese Died in the Vietnam War." Horner, Sam. "The Birth of the Soviet Union and the Death of the Russian Revolution." JSTOR Daily, 2021.

YouTube

"Days That Shook The World: Russia's Two Revolutions of 1917" Epic History. Mar 8, 2022

Films

Jojo Rabbit. 2019. Directed by Taika Waititi.

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How many people are happy with the way society is headed? There seems to be a general consensus - maybe the one thing we all agree on - that things are not right.

But our different opinions on what's wrong and what directions could be better too often fall on either side of a left vs right political spectrum.

Where did we get this idea of a left wing and a right wing anyway? How is it in a world of such diversity of languages and traditions and religions there's just two freakin' wings? What are we, a bird?

Well, it all started… during the French Revolution. And if we want to expand our map and chart a better direction, that's where our story needs to begin.

In this episode, we journey back to the French Revolution, where revolutionaries and monarchists first split into left and right wings—and the world has never been the same. Out of the chaos emerged ideals of liberty, the terror in the streets, and a fierce battle of ideas that spread across Europe, sparking revolutions from Sicily to Poland. The 1848 uprisings shook monarchies to their core, as liberals, conservatives, and radicals fought over society's future. Most of the revolutions were crushed—but none left the world unchanged.

Join us for a deep dive into political ideologies, French accents, guillotines, and the struggle for democracy.

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CITATIONS

Websites and Articles

Britannica. France: Peasant Insurgencies.

Yale University Library. French Revolution Political Cartoons: The Guillotine.

Fine Dining Lovers. 2022. "Dining with King Louis XVI."

Chastain, James. The Two Sicilies. Ohio University.

Statista. 2024. Global Elections in 2024.

Hincks, Joseph. 2024. "More Voters Than Ever Will Vote in 2024." TIME.

Reuters. 2024. "What Are the Key Issues in Mozambique's 2024 Elections?"

World History Encyclopedia. French Republican Calendar.

Britannica. Reign of Terror.

Prothero, Stephen. 2016. "Culture War Is an American Tradition." Los Angeles Times, February 14.

Chastain, James. The European Revolutions of 1848 and 1989: A Comparative Analysis.

Tocqueville, Alexis de. "Speech to the French Chamber of Deputies, January 29, 1848." Speeches USA.

Books

Arasse, Daniel. 1987. The Guillotine and the Terror.

Bussiek, Dagmar. 2002. Mit Gott für König und Vaterland: Die Neue Preußische Zeitung (Kreuzzeitung) 1848–1892. Münster: LIT Verlag, p. 18.

Clark, Christopher. 2023. Revolutionary Spring: Europe Aflame and the Fight for a New World.

Kirchner, Emil J. 1988. Liberal Parties in Western Europe.

Marx, Karl, and Friedrich Engels. 1848. The Communist Manifesto.

Terwecoren, Edouard. 1870. Collection de Précis historiques. J. Vandereydt, p. 31.

Podcasts and YouTube

The Rest Is History. 2023. "The Year of Revolutions: 1848." Podcast audio, April 30, 2023.

Duncan, Mike. Revolutions podcast season 7

Green, John. Crash Course: European History #26. YouTube playlist.

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You are listening to a bonus episode of Human Nature Odyssey. This is a conversation with bible teacher and author J Snodgrass about his book "Genesis and the Rise of Civilization."

You may remember from Episode 5 "Adam, Eve, and the Agricultural Revolution" that author Daniel Quinn theorized that the story of the Garden of Eden and Cain and Abel were originally told by hunter gatherers as a way to mythologically explaining the agricultural revolution they were witnessing around them. J Snodgrass, as you’ll hear, was struck by this idea as well, exploring this theory further. It's a wealth of research, interpretation, and insights.

This is a bonus episode that will exist for one month and one monthly only before returning to its Patreon home. The next feature episode of Human Nature Odyssey will be released in May.

You can find John's work at: j-snodgrass.com