After spending a decade in and out of jail, reformed drug dealer Lukas Williams walked out of prison for the last time in 2011. Swapping the criminal world for academia, Lukas is now helping people heal. In this episode, Lukas talks to Gary Jubelin about the moment he met the Northern Territory community rocked by the Zachary Rolfe police shooting in 2019, which killed Kumanjayi Walker.

This episode of I Catch Killers discusses self harm. If this raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to Lifeline on 13 11 14.

 

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Lukas Williams grew up in a world full of trouble; his father accidentally ran over his mother with a car, he fell into dealing drugs, then got addicted and began carrying out armed robberies. His teenage years were spent in and out of boys homes, followed by a decade in and out of prison. Looking back, he says he’d been hurt and wanted to hurt others. It was a way of life he had to break free from.

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Former heroin addict Holly Deane-Johns was locked up in a Thai prison for 7.5 years over drug charges. She couldn’t see the hard concrete floor of the crowded cell she shared with hundreds of women, she had a 22 centimetre floor space to sleep on, she had a rotting tooth pulled out by an inmate, she was sick from the food, and she also shared 10 filthy toilets with 2000 women. This was Holly’s Hell.

 

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When Holly Deane-Johns was 11, she worked for her mum’s escort business answering phones. By the age of 14, she’d had her first hit of heroin in her bedroom with her mum. From that moment she was hooked. What followed was years of cooking the drug, dealing and using - as well as a stint in jail. But nothing could stop her getting her next hit. Not even attending her heroin addicted mother’s funeral in handcuffs. 

 

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A few guys riding motorbikes suspiciously around a nuclear reactor. That was the start of Operation Pendennis. Peter Moroney was one of the counter terrorism detectives behind the secret police operation working to prevent a deadly NYE terrorist attack. Moments before D-Day, the Prime Minister had been informed and laws had been changed - now it was down to the team to save thousands of Australians. 

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Retired detective Peter Moroney helped bring down one of the largest terrorist plots on Australian soil during his career. In the wake of Sydney’s horrifying stabbings at Bondi Junction and a church, the former counter terrorism detective responds to the shocking attacks. 

 

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Retired detective Damian Loone has taken DNA evidence around the world to be tested, he’s negotiated with armed hostage takers and he’s investigated the disappearance of three-year-old Cheryl Grimmer. But the case that took the wind out of him was that of the 2014 Lindt Cafe Siege - where 18 people were held hostage by a lone gunman in Sydney’s CBD, and he was among those first on scene.

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As a detective, Damian Loone played a vital part in catching Lynette Dawson’s killer. First handed the case file 20 years after the young mother was last seen, Loone spent half of his career collecting the evidence to convict her murderer. He talks Gary Jubelin through every step of the investigation.

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Convicted drug dealer Joe Kwon shared a prison cell with a billionaire accountant, who changed his life forever. In exchange for providing his protection, Joe’s new cellmate taught him about business and encouraged him to read. After being released, Joe went to university and set out on his own, working with some of the country’s leading companies and helping other ex-cons earn a second chance.

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Joe Kwon was jailed for running a drug syndicate. Years earlier, he’d dabbled in petty crime, became a foot soldier in an Asian crime gang while still at school and was later held for ransom by the bikies. At his peak, Joe was living the high life; splashing thousands of dollars in cash just because he could do. That was until the morning undercover cops infiltrated his syndicate and everything came crashing down.  

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