Elizabeth Macneal, author of The Doll Factory and Circus Of Wonders, joins Dan Smith, Irenosen Okojie and Simon Savidge to discuss her love of libraries and writing influences. She also talks about her pottery, and how the tragedy of her cat deleting 10,000 words of her book draft was actually a positive thing.

The hosts also discuss the Identity category from the BBC's Novels That Shaped Our World list, including which books stand out and which they think are missing.