In this episode Cally talks to editor, presenter and podcast host Lucie Cave about her time at Heat magazine, starting out, lunchtime drinking, reality TV, ghost-writing, Jade Goody, Simon Cowell, Leonardo DiCaprio, on-screen, off-screen, side hustles, reinvention, psychics and fake boobs.

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Produced by Mike Hanson for Pod People Productions

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Music by Jake Yapp

Cover art by Jaijo

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