There's a saying that when you stop growing, you start dying. Well, the bottom line is Michigan now has more deaths than births. Metro Detroit is not faring better.

We knew this was coming for awhile, but leaders from neither major political party have been able to stop it.

What does it mean? How did we get here? What could we all do? My guest, Kurt Metzger, will help us sort it out.

He's one of the foremost minds when it comes to data, our region, our state and putting it to use.

He started Data Driven Detroit, he's a recently former mayor of Pleasant Ridge, and he's got some interesting perspectives and context to share.

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