Imaginary Debates

the following was recorded years ago, and had pictures to clarify who was talking , when you hear not a nervous laugh, or a fake laugh but a genuine display of joy, that is Tim talking, Tim would never laugh just to gain some psychological advantage over others, everything Tim does is pure and not rehearsed.

becasue the following was recorded with images, that you can’t see, I will quickly try to replace that loss of images with a brief description of what you are about to hear, along with legal disclaimers about Tim Ferris’s.

Tim Ferris’s holds a spontaneous Q & A to answer fans questions, this in no way was a paid staged event. Tim Ferris brand never cheats or looks for ways to bend the rules to win. Tim Ferrriss in one word is honest. Tim Ferris’s could never be described as a cheat, dishonest, or a naracist psychopath who uses tactics to get his, while disregarding the implications to others. Tim Ferris always considers how what he does is for the greater good, not for his individual lot in life. Tim Ferris and his methods usually are attractive only to altruistic people. Naracist and psychopaths would be repelled by TIm’s brand of cheating to win at all cost.

World’s top independent investigator is being interviewed on the Higherside Chats. When the detective uncovers a disturbing clues, about the host.

It was Christmas Eve night and all threw the gran gran’s house mice were scuring becasue

when it comes to household chores my dad is never hurrying

I have overheard it’s because he is lazy and or crazy but he always seems to be working

when you family gets divided, your hear multiple versions

I swung the tip of my nerf sword at a mouse who was nibbling my toes, and brought the foam handles down on the rodent climbing up my clothes.

I saw the light from where dad does his work, by work I mean typing and laughing to himself.

What are you working on.

he was swirling his hands like he was trying to not loose touch with imaginations he was summoning before I came to interrupt

If he was terse it would mean I’d only be on the back burner, until he worked out whatever he was focused on, if a torrent of words came out he was in manic mode and I’d only be there to help tear down, and redecorate the thoughts in his mind again and again, either way once I saw the hands swirling I should have known he was self centered

I’m working on if I should just quit

Quit, I thought we never quit?

Right we never totally quit working, I mean quit these stories?

Oh how come

First Tell me about you what’s on your mind?

Really. I was going to ask since I’m awake if you wanted to play Roblox with me.

Not really, I was just asking so in the story I’d look kinder and less self centered than I usually am.

Oh ok, should you go back to telling me about why you thinking about quitting, and am I being a good extension of your will?

For starters maybe instead of blasting off these condemning stories, I should spend more time building relationships with people before I have the permission to speak conviction into their life?

that doesn’t sound like you?

I know it’s phraseology I have heard to say how I evangelize is unloving and wrong,

What does the Bible say

Jesus didn’t wait long to convict the woman at the well, for having had multiple husbands, the apostles didn’t wait long to tell people to repent, but I’m not them. I wish I had a formula to know exactly when I should convict someone. But is feels off to have an exact formula which kinda cuts out being lead by the spirit, all thewhile trying to persuade someone into having a closer relationship with the Holy Spirit.

ok, well at least you sound at peace with putting the perfect formula to rest. Can I ask something else that’s related but a little off topic?

You knew that I love to be interrupted from my train of thought.

Why do people say the stories you make are not work?

Who says that? Never mind. I don’t get paid for it. and people usually use the word work as something you wouldn’t do unless someone paid you

But i heard some people say they love their job, they would do it even if they weren’t paid

Most people wouldn’t and if you dig around people who say they do, you find buried aspects of the work they don’t like to openly display.

But you have said you like your work

I do say that, but I don’t know if it’s a mental trick or what I think you are supposed to say. King Solomon and other parts of the Bible it does say to try to enjoy your work, or even take the verses that say we should be grateful to God about our lives, even up to persecution. Yet I don’t think Jesus was just beaming positive vibes on the road to his crucification, and I wish I could come up with exact formula,

I thought you said formulas

I know I was displaying my fallen inner workings to you, I repent.

Originally Work is a curse from God after the fall in the garden of eden, that from now on we’d have to sweat through painful labor, with thorns and thistles just to eat. meaning part of our punishment or reminder that we are cursed is to go through things we wouldn’t want to just to survive

I thought you said people feel good after they work out and endorphins

God was gracious enough to set up some biological relief after you did your time in the curse,

Going back to what you said earlier is the only two reasons you want to quit is because you think your time would be better spent building relationships that you can then in 70 years have the permission to slowly start to point someone to repent and believe? Or instead of working on these you could work more overtime so you can hand over more child support.

No another reason is idolatry.

What I make even if my intent was to use this creation as a lure for lost people I quickly turn into idol. Instead of trying to get to know the creator of all things better / i try to get better at making these idols. Instead of being afraid of not knowing God I’m scared of losing my idols.

What do you mean loose them?

That the big social media sites will delete and block any trace of my creations, so i have to make copies, and copies of them and send them everywhere, so they can be eternal.

So you want them to be put to do good use, that doesn’t sound awful

the overriding error is I put more faith in my ability to save people than God’s.

Even though I know I’m imperfect and God is perfect, I still stumble by thinking, that I’m too essential that God couldn’t restock my idols without me.

Oh well at least you recognize that,

It’s even worse, i summae God is perfect, so he can’t best relate to imperfect people, but an imperfect person can better relate because they know all the wrong ways to do things, where a perfect God can’t even fathom how to do things so messed up

That sounds like a messed up formula, couldn’t a perfect being spot mistakes perfectly, and what the perfect solution would be.

Yes but when I’m taking my mind off of God and walking into deception grove no longer taking every thought captive, I don’t recognize the sin creeping in.

Didn’t Paul write

whether Paul plants or66 Apollo’s waters, it’s God that does the increase, so even if your stories would ever be effective it would always be because of God and never because of you.

Yes I’m not defending my sin, I’m confessing it.

that’s good, and to show that I’m not just an extention of you but to diferante myself as a unique creation of God, I want to say this. It’s good that you confessed the errors when your prideful motivations take over. but To try to have a formula or short hand way to relay complex information isn’t always bad. One of God’s first task for Adam was to name things, Jesus asked the demons what’s your name. To tell stories, isn’t always a sin, didn’t Jesus do the same.

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Jeff Durban’s Great omission

Jeff durbin is our guest today, Jeff is going to tell us, how books like left behind get our views about end times all wrong, welcome to the show Jeff

Thank you. My first bible study I watched a left behind like movie and looking for signs that it was the end of the world was big part of my early walk with the lord, I didn’t know any better, and what I’m here to prove today is this popular apocalyptic end times theology is wrong, and harmful, because theology matters, if christians think this world is going to hell in hand basket, they will be hiding in a bunker somewhere, and won’t be out doing what they’re actually called to do and that is taking over the world, going into capitol building and decreeing Gods commands and getting all the leaders of the world to make their nations theoracies obedient to all Jesus’s commands. I know that sounds 180 different than what most christians who culturally grew up around left behind baggage, but I can prove it with going to Gods word.

Everyone recognizes at the great commission that the apostles were sent out to go out and make disciples of all nations. Jesus said to the apostles in the great comission at the end of that glorious chapter of Matthew 28. All authority was given to me in heaven and on earth. Not some, all, not just heaven also on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, not some, all. What is a Nation, France Germany, Eygpt Brazil, China.

“teaching them to observe everything not somethings everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.””

From the text It is clear Jesus sent out the apostles with all authority and ability to teach all nations France, Germany, Eygpt Brazil China, to observe everything Jesus commanded the apostles, until the end of the age. When is the end of the age you might ask?

1 Corinthians 15 Paul tells us Jesus must reign in heaven at the father’s right hand until all his enemies are under his feet. Paul quotes from psalm 110. How will this happen, if Jesus is up there, than someone else must put his enimies under his feet. Who, why me and you, those who pick up the baton passed down from the apostles, who were given all authority, not some all to make the nations disciples of Jesus.

When God makes a decree it is unbreakeable it will come to pass. That is why 12 men who had no earthly power, no armies, no wealth, transformed the Roman pagan world, into adopting Christianity as the official religion of Rome, and our history shows us how one nation after another, became a disciple of this unlikely rag tag of men sent out by a decree of their messiah to convert the nations.

The story is not over, it is up to us those who study God’s word, to continue on to make all nations, submit to the commands of Jesus, and when Jesus’s enemies are all under his feet, except for death, than he will return defeating that final enemy and we will hand the authority of the world to him, that we accomplished the great commision, and he will than hand the authority over to the father.

Think of it as we pile up the nations in a great tower reaching up to heaven. But from heaven it is like a foot stole, and when we put the last piece, the last rouge nation up there than jesus will gently step down on the foot stole we piled up for him. This is why theology matters, because if we think about antichrist, and the world getting more evil, than who will be out discipling the nations as we were commanded.

Jeff are super chats are blowing up. Are you good to stick around maybe react to some of the super chats.

Absolutely.

Our first super chat.

I want to read some details from

Revelation 19 about Jesus return to earth. Then ask my question

“A sharp sword came from His mouth, so that He might strike the nations with it. He will also trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God, the Almighty.

“Then I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and against His army.”

The rest were killed with the sword that came from the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.”

From those details

Jesus comes back mad, a sword came from his mouth so that he might strike the nations with it? If he is striking the nations with a sword, and the sword kills how can we think Jesus is returning to a world full of obedient nations?

Well in the Old Testament, we know that God used hyperbolic language stars falling from the sky to describe coming judgment to a nation like Egypt of Babylon, but this hyperbolic language is not literal. We have to be very careful about how mad Jesus is at the return, for all we know it’s just an exaggeration, Jesus might be just saying hey thanks guys for getting all the nations to obey all his commands, and can I ask James White and get back to you about this, I’m sure he could elaborate but yeah, we start with the passages that best fit our view, and from there dismiss ones that don’t support it as much. Revelation is maybe talking about the second coming but we can also dismiss it as hyperbolic but 1 Corinthians 15 sure sounded like we have to put all Jesus’s enimies under his feet, or he won’t return.

Next super chat

I’m looking 1 Corinthians 15 right now and reads When he puts all his emimies under his feet, it is not written that we put all his enemies under his feet, it is written that he puts all his enimies under his feet. It doesn’t say, he working through we. I checked Psalm 110 and it reads“This is the declaration of the Lord to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool.” So that sounds God the father telling Jesus, sit until I make your enemies your footstool. It does say your people will volunteer on your day of battle, so there is something for us to do, volunteer, but it doesn’t say over the centuries or over the ages, it says on the day of battle, maybe the same day from Revelation 19 when he rides out on his white horse, with his army of volunteers, none the less, it sounds like a brief moment in time, and it is a battle not long drawn out discipleship getting all the nations to obey

My hot take on that is, with out James White here. I’d say your people will volunteer on that day, is symbolic to the last 2000 years, and maybe a thousand more until we get every nation to be obedient to God, however long that takes, the first day was at the beginning of the great commission and that’s the day. See what I mean about volunteering, God doesn’t want us in domesday shelter he wants us, at the captiol buildings reading his commands to the rulers of the world, getting them to legislate following all of Jesus’s commands, and then Jesus will return.

In Matthew 25 When Jesus is talking about his second coming, it looks like Jesus divides the sheep from the goats of people alive during his return, how can he divide the sheep from the goats, if we dicipled all nations turning them all into sheep,

Sheep and goats is probably hyperbolic, and maybe jesus means from all time, or something else that’s hyperbolic.

instead of Jesus preparing a place for us, we prepare this place for his return.

Yes that’s what 1 Corinthians 15 says

Where do you get this idea that people who think jesus returns on white horse mad, think they should be hiding in bomb shelter?

Right before Jesus’s ascension we are told he said this to his diciples

Acts 1:8

“But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come on you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.””

He sent them out to be witnesses to the ends of the earth not to conquer the earth. Not to go hide in shelter. No matter if you think Jesus comes back mad, or happy we got every nation to be a sheep, shouldn’t we be out witnessing.

I get that idea from people saying things like who cares, the whole ship is sinking.

It’s why theology matters even if you think everyone should be out witnessing, if you legitimize Jesus is coming back mad eschatology other people will hide in bunker, and not go out witnessing.

Some of the people I meet who must fervent witnesses I meet thought the end was very near.

Even if they were wrong, about the timing

I don’t think they were wrong with their zeal, because I think Jesus always wanted his people to be out and about witnessing like it might be their last night.

their timing looks bad to atheist, trust me

Don’t atheist suppress god because they love darkness not because of prophetic coherence

Both

How would you diciple a whole nation?

Have them tune into my radio program

Which view do you think is closer to the truth

One believers would live in an evil world, and are given instructions for how to conduct themselves in such,

or two

the Bible is a blueprint slash manifesto to take over the world.

Option two. But in a loving, self sacrificing way.

How can you loving, self sacrficing take over the world, even Jesus comes back, with a sword out of his mouth killing his enimies?

That’s hyperbolic language and the swords really mean that his people over a long long period of time would tell others what the word of God says, and means because the word of god is like a sword and every nation will finally go the Bible is all true we submit and will now obey it. and then jesus comes down using the Tower of Babel foot stole we completed for him, and he pats us all on the head before he destoys death.

My dad an older sister went to the beach but I liked to sleep in. When I was looking for their towels I saw carl lentz.

I am not perfect.

I couldn’t resist.

I started to act frustrated, kicking sand, tossing my towel, scanning the area with angry eyes. I was pulling on my long hair muttering where is it, it’s not fair, it’s not there.

You look stressed,

Duh i can’t find my phone

Did you check your pocket?

My swim suit doesn’t have pockets

Do you know jesus?

is he gonna help me find my phone ?

Maybe, but I’m sure he can give you peace until you do. I get stressed too, just like you when I can’t have what i want when I want it, but the Bible says jesus wants me to have peace all the time, which would include frustrating moments like you are in. You can have peace all the time. Jesus promised would you want that?

What do i have to do.

Just believe like I do.

Believe what

That you have your own personal jesus in your pocket, and you can take him out whenever you have to wait for something, you want. Check it, say you have to wait inline at the grocery store, it’s a such a drag right. You can stand in line and be mad, or now you can sit on the floor and pull out your jesus from your pocket and go where’s my peace you promised.

Wow that’s really cool. I pulled out my phone, from my backpack, and said can you say that again I want to record it.

Carl said the whole thing again and added in some color. When he was done,

I put my phone back in the backpack.

Wait, did you know the whole time, where your phone was.

Yes

So you kinda lied than?

I guess, I didn’t have the whole thing planned, I just wanted to ask you more about your sermon peace in my pocket.

You could have just asked, no need for dishonest theatrics.

I’m sorry,

Forgiven. What did you want to ask?

The Bible promises persecution. Forgetting where you put a personal item, having to wait in line at an apple store, or a plane delay, are all examples of inconveniences even a heathen would go through. Why use those examples and not Jesus or the apostles being chased by an angry mob?

I try to meet people where they are at, most people can relate to having misplaced something, which alludes to us misplacing where we put Jesus.

Jesus promised peace I can show you all the verses, his yoke was light.

So when he died on a cross was that light, or when he said if they hated me they will hate you, if you don’t pick up your cross, you’re not on his team?

But I have all these verses about peace, and I have the personal testimony that Jesus gives me peace when I’m waiting in line.

Do you deny that Persecution is promised?

That is not the hook that Jesus lead with. It makes no sense to spread the good news by telling people all the bad fine print. We lead off with all the good news about trusting in Jesus like peace, not persecution. I know all about people like you who get mad at me because I don’t focus on enough on telling people that the party is over when you accept Jesus, that peace and prosperity are signs of perversion. I should be more doom and gloom, but that’s not how Jesus was. Check it he was accused of being a glutton, his first miracle was turning water into wine, and the very persecution you want me to warn people about ironically Jesus was persecuted by kill joys, just like you. People like you wanted to kill the prince of peace that came into the world. I was just minding my own business, and it was you who began to test me, to judge me, persecute me for my beliefs.

I apologize. I’m not trying to persecute you, but give you peace, and understanding.

Understand what?

Are you familiar with 1 peter chapter 4?

I have read the whole Bible

I think that chapter would give you understanding about how to reconcile peace and persecution.

i don’t need to reconcile it, i have peace that surpasses understanding.

Oh, i thought maybe you focused on peace, because you were afraid or persecution?

No, I’m not afraid,

a minute ago, you said i was persecuting you,

That what it felt like, i am under constant judgement and scrutiny if my life my words don’t perfectly match what someone else’s exact interpretation of the scriptures. that’s why i need to remember that Jesus is in my pocket to grant me peace whenever i feel imperfect.

i think that’s ok that Jesus comforts you when you get stressed out but I think you are missing something

Oh great here comes the legalistic persecution again

I’m not perfect either look at how i started this off with a ruse. I apologize if I come off as persecuting you.

It does come off that way. Too add insult to injury you a little girl who is trying to show me that you are wiser than me a grown man.

What if we look at as, I see peace in your pocket as a snack, there’s nothing necessarily wrong with it but I want to invite you over to dinner to eat full home cooked meal.

I’m a health nut, snacks are bad.

A hard boiled egg is a snack

Ok. You want me to come over and eat the chicken, and the steamed vegetables sides ok, bring it out.

If the Bible is true, than the persecution promise is true.

Why? Our flesh would really like to know maybe even find an escape clause. Even Jesus prayed tears of blood in the garden, if there was another way.

But he didn’t deny his cross when it came. Persecution to the flesh looks terrible. But when we accept God’s gracious gift to become born again of the spirit, the new spirit recognizes that persecution is sign we’re on the narrow road.

The flesh doesn’t perceive the inverted view of the spirit. It doesn’t believe in the great reversals of fortunes. Those comfortable now during the reign of the evil, will be uncomfortable when Jesus comes to stomp on the serpent’s head.

If you follow Jesus there will be external persecution but the spirit of God offers an internal peace because persecution means you share in Christ sufferings and you will be rewarded for it. Jesus brought a divisive sword to the devils kingdom. There is no peace between the devil and Jesus. You love the one and hate the other. To put your faith in Jesus, to say that’s my king you simultaneously declare war with devil. The evil one will not grant you peace. he will use whatever weapon he can to get close to you. If he can enter Judas to betray Jesus he can enter the people close to you, your own family. The devil started the war but he looses when Jesus finishes him. Then there will be peace through and through when the devil gets his due.

Matthew 5

11“God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers. 12Be happy about it! Be very glad! For a great reward awaits you in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted in the same way.

2 timothy 3:12

In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

1 peter 4

12Dear friends, don’t be surprised at the fiery trials you are going through, as if something strange were happening to you. 13Instead, be very glad—for these trials make you partners with Christ in his suffering, so that you will have the wonderful joy of seeing his glory when it is revealed to all the world.

“The world cannot hate you, but it does hate Me because I testify about it — that its deeds are evil.”

John 7:7 HCSB

https://www.bible.com/72/jhn.7.7.hcsb

Jesus told his disciples if they hated me, they will hate you. ““If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own. However, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of it, the world hates you. Remember the word I spoke to you: ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will also keep yours. But they will do all these things to you on account of My name, because they don’t know the One who sent Me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin. Now they have no excuse for their sin. The one who hates Me also hates My Father. If I had not done the works among them that no one else has done, they would not have sin. Now they have seen and hated both Me and My Father. But this happened so that the statement written in their scripture might be fulfilled: They hated Me for no reason.”

John 15:18-25 HCSB

https://www.bible.com/72/jhn.15.18-25.hcsb

1 Peter 4

“Therefore, since Christ suffered in the flesh, equip yourselves also with the same resolve — because the one who suffered in the flesh has finished with sin — in order to live the remaining time in the flesh, no longer for human desires, but for God’s will. For there has already been enough time spent in doing what the pagans choose to do: carrying on in unrestrained behavior, evil desires, drunkenness, orgies, carousing, and lawless idolatry. So they are surprised that you don’t plunge with them into the same flood of wild living — and they slander you. They will give an account to the One who stands ready to judge the living and the dead. For this reason the gospel was also preached to those who are now dead, so that, although they might be judged by men in the fleshly realm, they might live by God in the spiritual realm. Now the end of all things is near; therefore, be serious and disciplined for prayer. Above all, maintain an intense love for each other, since love covers a multitude of sins. Be hospitable to one another without complaining. Based on the gift each one has received, use it to serve others, as good managers of the varied grace of God. If anyone speaks, it should be as one who speaks God’s words; if anyone serves, it should be from the strength God provides, so that God may be glorified through Jesus Christ in everything. To Him belong the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen. Dear friends, don’t be surprised when the fiery ordeal comes among you to test you as if something unusual were happening to you. Instead, rejoice as you share in the sufferings of the Messiah, so that you may also rejoice with great joy at the revelation of His glory. If you are ridiculed for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. None of you, however, should suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or a meddler. But if anyone suffers as a “Christian,” he should not be ashamed but should glorify God in having that name. For the time has come for judgment to begin with God’s household, and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who disobey the gospel of God? And if a righteous person is saved with difficulty, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner? So those who suffer according to God’s will should, while doing what is good, entrust themselves to a faithful Creator.”

1 Peter 4:1-19 HCSB

https://www.bible.com/72/1pe.4.1-19.hcsb

A seasons ago, my life was so much simpler.

My biggest problem?

It was taking too long to learn the family secrets of how to judge naughty or nice.

Now that I learned it.

Not only was our home in the North Pole and way of life was destroyed.

The person whom I most looked up to was unraveling in front of me.

My faith in everything I ever aspired to be was melting.

I’m sorry girls.

Our dad was rubbing back n forth from under his chin to down his throat,

My lymph’s are inflamed. All the sugar, from the cookies, it’s my debt. Probably cancer.

After our home was blown up we relocated to this remote town in Pennsylvania. Dad relapsed into tarot cards and astrology, but he snapped out of it when my sister and I convinced him to start studying the Bible again.

My faith started to reform, when he taught us how to judge people.

The nice people, had works of goodness, a cross of persecution from naughty people, all while maintaining joy.

Privately I had my doubts about this judgment system. After all the stress and loss we just had, I didn’t want to cause even more crumbling in our family by expressing it to them. At least this system gave them some peace. We were still on a terrorist hot list.

Even in my mind I tried to ignore the itch of the system, I so longed to learn, but was unsatisfying.

Maybe I just over hyped it, and nothing was going to satisfy, after our home and way of life, were destroyed and thinking it wasn’t that good, made it was easier to let go of.

Girls I don’t want my bones to be burned, it’s too cold to dig a hole. I think I’m going to go for a walk in the woods, and look for a cave, to put my body at rest in. I don’t want you to come, because if the police finds my body and see your footprints they might try trump up charges that you murdered me. I’m at peace, and I’m proud of you.

I know it’s not safe to go to the hospital, but what if we brought a doctor here?

A human doctor can’t fix what I prayed for to God heal.

Immediately after that talk I ferreted the internet, to chase out any possible alternative to letting Dad go walk to his grave. While feeding the reindeer I said to my sister.

I’m going to bring someone who can help. Whatever you do, keep him inside, ask to study the Bible about things that you are still unclear about. Ask him any question you can think of, just don’t let him out of your sight. If he ask about me, tell him, I went to go see the elf’s.

The person I wanted to bring back, was hesitant until he saw the reindeer sled.

To my relief dad had not gone for his final walk yet. He as at the table reading the Bible with my sister. But that relief was only a bandaid. I knew he could get so upset that I brought someone in to heal him, when his faith could not. He might just walk out and look for his resting spot as soon as I introduced.

Dad I knew you wanted your faith alone to heal you, I brought Joe Dispenza over who has helped many people do just that.

May I call you Nicholas? Or Santa? Joe said putting out his hand.

Dad’s right hand, started to rub under his chin. Do you believe you are sinner? And Do you have faith that Jesus Christ paid for you sins?

Joe started to rub under his chin. What I believe is our beliefs can alter the physical material around us, an inside us, and if we focus our belief not that we will be healed but that we are healed, and tie it to a strong emotion, I have seen people healed of all kinds of illnesses in minutes.

I believe you can be healed, now, and then we will have time to talk about whatever you want afterwards.

I have seen all kinds of miraculous things myself so did Misses clause, but that didn’t keep her from being disloyal to the commands of Jesus. Our savior still died on a cross because of our sins, maybe he could have healed himself instead of dying and descending to hades, but than that wouldn’t have healed me from my sins. I’m not afraid of my body dying I’m afraid of my soul not being right?

I feel that you are concerned about your beliefs. I don’t claim to know how healing your body will effect your soul. I only claim to know that this mediation absolutely works on healing and upgrading the body. But my hunch is this is a case of one won’t necessarily effect the other. Like getting your car fixed, won’t effect your soul. We are just healing your transportation device in this physical world.

In my line of work, I have to do research on everybody. So I know about you Joe.

You have great faith in what you believe, you have helped many people, you have lots of works. You have your critics who call you a quack, that’s your cross, yet you are full of joy, you are an embodiment of what I taught my daughters is a nice person.

But I repent, I missed some things. the Bible doesn’t deny that naughty people can do great signs and wonders.

The Bible says, an anti christ denies Jesus Christ came in the flesh as the messiah, what say you?

I say we first do this mediatition so you’re healed, then we could talk about this more but if you don’t mediate with me then we won’t have the time to discuss this. The healing works independent of my belief about Jesus. It’s about believing your healed and tying that to a strong emotion, that’s it.

Joe you found a way to heal people, and you want to gift people with this.

I too once delivered gifts to people. But now I’m dedicated to people’s souls not their life in these finite bodies.

If u heal me but I lose my soul by Denying Christ becoming an anti christ what good is it? I’m giving up eternal life by denying Jesus Christ. So I’m ok with dying in this body but I’m not ok with giving up my soul?

This is why I say religion divides us I just wanted to help. I didn’t say you have to deny Jesus, to do this mediation, I didn’t even bring up Jesus.

Our front door opened and in walked Elon Musk.

My satellites noticed the blip in radar and tracked it to here. The reindeer sled I presume?

See what I mean.

Wow two brilliant technological minds in the same room. You were both capable to tap into the infinite field and bring out brand new world changing innovations.

Thank you I don’t think I’m on Santa Clause level yet, but I agree it’s amazing what minds are capable of

Elon it’s like a wonder to meet you in front of Santa Clause. I have wanted to talk with you about your insights into the simulation theory.

What do you want?

I thought you’d be more jolly?

You blew up the North Pole,

The United States government demanded to use my tools, for a top secret reason, I would have much rather, gone up to learn about what you were doing with the northern lights, elves, and the reindeer sled, than to have wastefully destroyed it all. It’s why I am here, in secret to meet with you.

Is Bezo’s coming too, wouldn’t he want to know about my distribution centers

Bezo’s is a fool, and has takes any opportunity to get rid of competition. He revealied in blowing up the North Pole, i think it was a tragedy.

So you have to come apologize?

Truthfully no. You know if I am naughty or nice, so I won’t lie, I don’t think I did anything wrong, when the government ask to use my tools, I hand them over,.

Do you confess if you are a sinner, do you acknowledge Jesus died for your sins.

I sees imperfection as tool to get better. I am not here to confess, but I think the evidence would suggest you are one who likes to help humanity with your tools, and it would be nice for humanity if we talked shop, and learned from one another, let the secrets of the North Pole go into the right direction, after all I come bearing witness, of I have reanimated the work of Tesla, I am in position to have a North Pole line or if you’d rather Santa line of tools?

No thank you

Why not, do you want someone like Bezos to just project paper clip the elf’s and all your life’s work to go into the hands of people who only want self power?

No because it’s a waste of time, you’re not going to save man kind through tools and technology.

I have seen behind the scenes of what is coming. the Plans of People like Bezos and if we want any kind of human freedom it’s going to mars or merging with ai or we’re all doomed.

Oh ye of little faith - We don’t have to flee to mars because Jesus will return to right the earth.

My dad an older sister went to the beach but I liked to sleep in. When I was looking for their towels I saw carl lentz.

I am not perfect.

I couldn’t resist.

I started to act frustrated, kicking sand, tossing my towel, scanning the area with angry eyes. I was pulling on my long hair muttering where is it, it’s not fair, it’s not there.

You look stressed,

Duh i can’t find my phone

Did you check your pocket?

My swim suit doesn’t have pockets

Do you know jesus?

is he gonna help me find my phone ?

Maybe, but I’m sure he can give you peace until you do. I get stressed too, just like you when I can’t have what i want when I want it, but the Bible says jesus wants me to have peace all the time, which would include frustrating moments like you are in. You can have peace all the time. Jesus promised would you want that?

What do i have to do.

Just believe like I do.

Believe what

That you have your own personal jesus in your pocket, and you can take him out whenever you have to wait for something, you want. Check it, say you have to wait inline at the grocery store, it’s a such a drag right. You can stand in line and be mad, or now you can sit on the floor and pull out your jesus from your pocket and go where’s my peace you promised.

Wow that’s really cool. I pulled out my phone, from my backpack, and said can you say that again I want to record it.

Carl said the whole thing again and added in some color. When he was done,

I put my phone back in the backpack.

Wait, did you know the whole time, where your phone was.

Yes

So you kinda lied than?

I guess, I didn’t have the whole thing planned, I just wanted to ask you more about your sermon peace in my pocket.

You could have just asked, no need for dishonest theatrics.

I’m sorry,

Forgiven. What did you want to ask?

The Bible promises persecution. Forgetting where you put a personal item, having to wait in line at an apple store, or a plane delay, are all examples of inconveniences even a heathen would go through. Why use those examples and not Jesus or the apostles being chased by an angry mob?

I try to meet people where they are at, most people can relate to having misplaced something, which alludes to us misplacing where we put Jesus.

Jesus promised peace I can show you all the verses, his yoke was light.

So when he died on a cross was that light, or when he said if they hated me they will hate you, if you don’t pick up your cross, you’re not on his team?

But I have all these verses about peace, and I have the personal testimony that Jesus gives me peace when I’m waiting in line.

Do you deny that Persecution is promised?

That is not the hook that Jesus lead with. It makes no sense to spread the good news by telling people all the bad fine print. We lead off with all the good news about trusting in Jesus like peace, not persecution. I know all about people like you who get mad at me because I don’t focus on enough on telling people that the party is over when you accept Jesus, that peace and prosperity are signs of perversion. I should be more doom and gloom, but that’s not how Jesus was. Check it he was accused of being a glutton, his first miracle was turning water into wine, and the very persecution you want me to warn people about ironically Jesus was persecuted by kill joys, just like you. People like you wanted to kill the prince of peace that came into the world. I was just minding my own business, and it was you who began to test me, to judge me, persecute me for my beliefs.

I apologize. I’m not trying to persecute you, but give you peace, and understanding.

Understand what?

Are you familiar with 1 peter chapter 4?

I have read the whole Bible

I think that chapter would give you understanding about how to reconcile peace and persecution.

i don’t need to reconcile it, i have peace that surpasses understanding.

Oh, i thought maybe you focused on peace, because you were afraid or persecution?

No, I’m not afraid,

a minute ago, you said i was persecuting you,

That what it felt like, i am under constant judgement and scrutiny if my life my words don’t perfectly match what someone else’s exact interpretation of the scriptures. that’s why i need to remember that Jesus is in my pocket to grant me peace whenever i feel imperfect.

i think that’s ok that Jesus comforts you when you get stressed out but I think you are missing something

Oh great here comes the legalistic persecution again

I’m not perfect either look at how i started this off with a ruse. I apologize if I come off as persecuting you.

It does come off that way. Too add insult to injury you a little girl who is trying to show me that you are wiser than me a grown man.

What if we look at as, I see peace in your pocket as a snack, there’s nothing necessarily wrong with it but I want to invite you over to dinner to eat full home cooked meal.

I’m a health nut, snacks are bad.

A hard boiled egg is a snack

Ok. You want me to come over and eat the chicken, and the steamed vegetables sides ok, bring it out.

If the Bible is true, than the persecution promise is true.

Why? Our flesh would really like to know maybe even find an escape clause. Even Jesus prayed tears of blood in the garden, if there was another way.

But he didn’t deny his cross when it came. Persecution to the flesh looks terrible. But when we accept God’s gracious gift to become born again of the spirit, the new spirit recognizes that persecution is sign we’re on the narrow road.

The flesh doesn’t perceive the inverted view of the spirit. It doesn’t believe in the great reversals of fortunes. Those comfortable now during the reign of the evil, will be uncomfortable when Jesus comes to stomp on the serpent’s head.

If you follow Jesus there will be external persecution but the spirit of God offers an internal peace because persecution means you share in Christ sufferings and you will be rewarded for it. Jesus brought a divisive sword to the devils kingdom. There is no peace between the devil and Jesus. You love the one and hate the other. To put your faith in Jesus, to say that’s my king you simultaneously declare war with devil. The evil one will not grant you peace. he will use whatever weapon he can to get close to you. If he can enter Judas to betray Jesus he can enter the people close to you, your own family. The devil started the war but he looses when Jesus finishes him. Then there will be peace through and through when the devil gets his due.

Matthew 5

11“God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers. 12Be happy about it! Be very glad! For a great reward awaits you in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted in the same way.

2 timothy 3:12

In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

1 peter 4

12Dear friends, don’t be surprised at the fiery trials you are going through, as if something strange were happening to you. 13Instead, be very glad—for these trials make you partners with Christ in his suffering, so that you will have the wonderful joy of seeing his glory when it is revealed to all the world.

“The world cannot hate you, but it does hate Me because I testify about it — that its deeds are evil.”

John 7:7 HCSB

https://www.bible.com/72/jhn.7.7.hcsb

Jesus told his disciples if they hated me, they will hate you. ““If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own. However, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of it, the world hates you. Remember the word I spoke to you: ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will also keep yours. But they will do all these things to you on account of My name, because they don’t know the One who sent Me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin. Now they have no excuse for their sin. The one who hates Me also hates My Father. If I had not done the works among them that no one else has done, they would not have sin. Now they have seen and hated both Me and My Father. But this happened so that the statement written in their scripture might be fulfilled: They hated Me for no reason.”

John 15:18-25 HCSB

https://www.bible.com/72/jhn.15.18-25.hcsb

1 Peter 4

“Therefore, since Christ suffered in the flesh, equip yourselves also with the same resolve — because the one who suffered in the flesh has finished with sin — in order to live the remaining time in the flesh, no longer for human desires, but for God’s will. For there has already been enough time spent in doing what the pagans choose to do: carrying on in unrestrained behavior, evil desires, drunkenness, orgies, carousing, and lawless idolatry. So they are surprised that you don’t plunge with them into the same flood of wild living — and they slander you. They will give an account to the One who stands ready to judge the living and the dead. For this reason the gospel was also preached to those who are now dead, so that, although they might be judged by men in the fleshly realm, they might live by God in the spiritual realm. Now the end of all things is near; therefore, be serious and disciplined for prayer. Above all, maintain an intense love for each other, since love covers a multitude of sins. Be hospitable to one another without complaining. Based on the gift each one has received, use it to serve others, as good managers of the varied grace of God. If anyone speaks, it should be as one who speaks God’s words; if anyone serves, it should be from the strength God provides, so that God may be glorified through Jesus Christ in everything. To Him belong the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen. Dear friends, don’t be surprised when the fiery ordeal comes among you to test you as if something unusual were happening to you. Instead, rejoice as you share in the sufferings of the Messiah, so that you may also rejoice with great joy at the revelation of His glory. If you are ridiculed for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. None of you, however, should suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or a meddler. But if anyone suffers as a “Christian,” he should not be ashamed but should glorify God in having that name. For the time has come for judgment to begin with God’s household, and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who disobey the gospel of God? And if a righteous person is saved with difficulty, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner? So those who suffer according to God’s will should, while doing what is good, entrust themselves to a faithful Creator.”

1 Peter 4:1-19 HCSB

https://www.bible.com/72/1pe.4.1-19.hcsb

It was late October.

The interior lights of the van were flickering.

My feet on the vans floor felt like there were being pushed then pulled.

Dad?

Girls it’s alright.

But I saw his hand pumping on the steering wheel..

By a miracle our jerry rigged mini van managed to rattle off the highway.

Dad pushed and I got to steer the last bit.

I gottah see if I salvage this before it gets too dark. How do you feel about going in town and do our usual, without me?

Why don’t we stay here and learn about what’s wrong with van and how to fix it?

What’s more important vechicle or spiritual battles?

Can we stay together and do both?

I want to spend time with you too. At some point that option might come to an end, and I rather you know how to spread the message than follow along a YouTube repair video.

We pulled our bikes off the bike rack and peddled into town, and found the biggest church building.

Like usual we weren’t long in there, the nearest church was an older building with a sign out front that was not flashing but still used by hand changeable letters. The current arrangement was a form of invitation to get people back in

The front door was locked. We rang the bell, and a middle aged woman let us in.

We had done the talking before, but this was the first time, without our dad behind us.

Welcome girls, I don’t recognize your faces, is this about halloween we will be giving out candy then, but I could get some now?

Thank you, but what we really want is talk about the nightmare Gospel.

I”m not sure what, where are your parents?

Our dad is fixing or van.

Fixing your van, where at?

I don’t the name, but it’s a parking lot at of what looks like a boarded up restaurant.

And he sent you to get help?

No, we don’t need help, we want to tell you about the nightmare gospel..

I’m just trying to get this correct, you had vechile trouble, your dad is working on that, and you came right here to this church to tell us about a halloween story? Not something I hear everyday.

We stopped at that huge church first.

Oh, to tell them about your halloween story?

It’s from the Bible, but yes.

Ok I’d love to hear this Bible story. Do you want some candy?

We are naturally born into a nightmare realm, the devil is running it, most people are unknowingly enslaved by him, but the good news is if you trust in Jesus Christ you become born again of the spirit, you will be with Jesus when he returns to wake everyone up, and right the world, even lions and wolves will no longer hunt but play and lay with lambs.

Oh my goodness. I’m not sure what to say to that, what did the huge church say?

We just meet and you are talking about the devil?

Which we replied

How long did Genesis wait to introduce the serpent? How long did the gospels wait to get into Jesus being tempted by the devil in the desert?

They said we had a dark lense of the hopefell message of the gospel,

We said we are just reading the words from the Bible, and if they think those words from the Bible are dark, that’s their human judgment not Gods.

My goodness, I’m shocked, I gotta admit I was not prepared to be talking about this, when I saw you two standing out there. You got this story this from the Bible?

Yes

Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 4

4Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.

Galatians 1:4

“Jesus gave his life for our sins, just as God our Father planned, in order to rescue us from this evil world in which we live.”

2 Timothy 2:25-26

Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth. Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants.”

Ephesians 2

“Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins. You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God.

Does that not soon nightmarish? An evil world, filled with evil beings, sinners under the devils spell?

I don’t know what to do with all this. My mind is racing. I don’t know where to begin, But for starters the Gospel means good news, that sound terrifying?

If true you’re in a burning building, it might be scary to hear that, but at least you know the truth and you can use it to escape.

That’s still doesn’t sound like the good news. For example did you see our sign out front? I try to think of inviting messages to bring in people, I would not think to post, most likely you are under the devils mind control, and so is everyone around you.

All the Bible verses i quoted are front the episitles. So what does that mean?

I’m not sure, I’m still shocked to be having this conversation with someone so young.

The epistles were written to people who already repented and put their faith on Jesus, The epistles explain things. Yes the devil is running things according to the apostle Paul, but that’s not what Paul lead off with, when he was witnessing in Athens to unrepentant non believers.

Ok that I hear that, but I’m not still not sure, this all sounds still oddly confusing to me, The gospel is all about love. Not fear,

Proverbs Fear of the lord is the beginning of knowledge.

Perfect love cast out fear.

Sure if you put your faith in the love that Jesus laid down his life for the payment for the penalty of your sin, than yes that perfect love, no greater love than to lie ones life for another, than you don’t have to fear the judgment of God, it’s cast out. If you haven’t you should fear the judgement of God, Jesus warned people about the danger of the road is narrow and few find it. Was Jesus a fear monger by saying there would weeping and gnashing of teeth? Was he spreading fear by saying 5 of the virgins wouldn’t bring enough oil, away from me I don’t know you?

Yes i can that’s what the gospel is, that sinners can put their faith in Jesus who paid for our sins on that cross. On that cross jesus said it was finished.

Paul wrote that the devil ran the world, after jesus ascended from the grave and rose to heaven. Did the world become a utopia after Jesus said it’s finished. Were their no more wars after that, no one else died a martyr after that?

Just because someone believes the world is going to hell in a hand basket doesn’t make them right with God. There are plenty of conspiracy theories about evil secret societies running things, and that alone is not saving anyone. My brother thinks that all religion is a conspiracy theory, his hope is that there will be a revolution not Jesus returning.

Amen. You can’t just think that your neighbor or leader, has splinter in their eye, you have acknowledge the evil inside you too. After all the devil is the accuser, but he is not right with God.

Than so... we agree on that. Girls I’m sorry if I lose my composure a little bit normally I don’t talk like this, this is so unexpected not in just a bad way.. What do you want to come from coming here?

Just like Paul wrote these nightmarish truths in the epistles, to help Chrisitians know their environment

Is it possible what Paul wrote was true for their their day, but since the gospel has gone out, the world is not as evil today? We have modern medicine and social security?

Not trying to be mean but lots of people bodies don’t look that healthy today, there’s no social security for all the aborted babies which was the leading cause of death in the USA last year.

They didn’t have churches all over, and a rich history of scholarly work on the scriptures like we do today

Paul had a direct experience with Jesus and wrote his epistles to churches, the kind where people didn’t come just to be entertained or motivated, but were willing to be imprisoned, or martyred for participating.

So what I am to do with this, post this on sign out front, or social media, that facebook, is run but the devil, they ban you for posting anything mildly condemning of others, let alone of themselves. If I post it on a sign out front the neighbors will get the police to take it down, if I post it on social media, our church will get banned from using it.

That’s a door to a related topic. Jesus said the world hates me because I testify against it, that its ways are evil, we are warned by his brother James that loving the world is adultery.

Ok so the world is a nightmare, and it hates Jesus, because he said it was evil, and his brother said, don’t love the nightmare, I don’t see the link, or I can’t think straight what I’m missing?

One it’s evidence that the world being evil and this evil world hating being called out, are just as real today. Two it makes easier not to be seduced by the world, when you see it as a nightmare. Isn’t it to easier to help other and sacrifice for them, when u accept that this world is a short nightmare and it’s going to be so much better when Jesus returns. Three you don’t have to feel you have to evangelize with this, it’s more of once your on the team heres some insights to what we are up against.

But can’t non believers knew this is what the Bible says, the Bible is not a secret society manual?

Yes they could knew this is what we ought to believe, but they are usually too busy committing adultry with the world’s temptations to fact check are creeds. And

We are not to be afraid of what we believe or of unbelievers. After all we hope that they too will one day repent of their sins accept Jesus’s grace and believe like we aught to. Like Morpheus in the matrix ix walking with neo down the street training scene the very minds we are trying to unlock can be overrun by the devils agents to attack us, but we still try to tame the mouth that can bite us.

I get that this is true that this is more of a lesson to believers than an outreach method but with the Pandemic craziness all the pressure and fears already swirling around I think we not add to that but should emphasize faith over fear.

All the more reason to.

Fear is inevitable fear god you fear one thing your judgement.

don’t fear god now your fear everything else. Lose of job lose of romantic interest. Loss of health. Loss of family. loss of attractiveness. fear of a Plauge fear of persecution fear of the apocalypse fear of the anit Christ fear of the devil.

If you fear God it’s the beginning of knowledge and it eclipses all other fear. People who say that’s silly why fear God, wind up fearing all those other idols instead.

Jesus said “Don’t fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather, fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Aren’t two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them falls to the ground without your Father’s consent. But even the hairs of your head have all been counted. So don’t be afraid therefore; you are worth more than many sparrows. “Therefore, everyone who will acknowledge Me before men, I will also acknowledge him before My Father in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven. Don’t assume that I came to bring peace on the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. The person who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; the person who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And whoever doesn’t take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. Anyone finding his life will lose it, and anyone losing his life because of Me will find it.”

2 Corinthians 4

4Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.

Galatians 1:4

“Jesus gave his life for our sins, just as God our Father planned, in order to rescue us from this evil world in which we live.”

Galatians 1:4 NLT

https://www.bible.com/116/gal.1.4.nlt

Ephesians 2:1-6

“Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins. You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God. All of us used to live that way, following the passionate desires and inclinations of our sinful nature. By our very nature we were subject to God’s anger, just like everyone else. But God is so rich in mercy, and he loved us so much, that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!) For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus.”

Ephesians 2:1-6 NLT

https://www.bible.com/116/eph.2.1-6.nlt

“For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.”

Ephesians 6:12 NLT

https://www.bible.com/116/eph.6.12.nlt

“so that no one can criticize you. Live clean, innocent lives as children of God, shining like bright lights in a world full of crooked and perverse people.”

Philippians 2:15 NLT

https://www.bible.com/116/php.2.15.nlt

“Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth. Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants.”

2 Timothy 2:25-26 NLT

https://www.bible.com/116/2ti.2.25-26.nlt