Though our crew has the day off in observance of Juneteenth today, we put together a show featuring two archival interviews that focus on a pair of injustices black Americans have had to endure. First up is our 2015 interview with Dax-Devlon Ross about his research into black juror exclusion, a persistent problem in the U.S. legal system. Then we listen to our 2019 conversation with Brenda Wineapple focusing on her excellent book, The Impeachers: The Trial of Andrew Johnson and the Dream of a Just Nation. In the wake of the Civil War, Johnson vetoed legislation that Congress passed to protect the rights of those who had been freed from slavery, and the ramifications of that veto are still felt today.

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