In our broadcast on June 9, 2025, co-hosts Wendy Rose Williams and Gregg Kirk interview author and researcher, Mark Gober. Mark is the author of the “Upside Down” series of seven books — spanning the topics of consciousness, politics, economics, UFOs, medicine, cosmology, and more. His first book, “An End to Upside Down Thinking” published in 2018, won the IPPY award for best science book of the year and was endorsed by researchers with affiliations at Harvard, Princeton, UVA, and UCSF (among others).

During the interview, Mark discusses the thinking that drove him to study the nature of consciousness and that how we as individuals (especially in Western cultures) have accepted a limited view of ourselves and our place in the universe. 

He has written six other books —  “An End to Upside Down Living” (2020), “An End to Upside Down Liberty” (2021), “An End to Upside Down Contact” (2022), “An End to the Upside Down Reset” (2023), “An End to Upside Down Medicine” (2023); and “An End to the Upside Down Cosmos” (2024). Mark is also the host of the 8-episode podcast series “Where Is My Mind?”

To view the 55-minute broadcast in its entirety, click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QapQg9INydw

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