This episode is a bit different from the usual, because we are interviewing Calum's boss. Calum says that mainly to tease him, because he thinks the word “boss” is a dirty word.

His name is Daniel Hulme, and this is his second appearance on the podcast. He was one of our earliest guests, long ago, in episode 8. Back then, Daniel had just sold his AI consultancy, Satalia, to the advertising and media giant WPP. Today, he is Chief AI Officer at WPP, but he is joining us to talk about his new venture, Conscium - which describes itself as "the world's first applied AI consciousness research organisation".

Conscium states that "our aim is to deepen our understanding of consciousness to pioneer efficient, intelligent, and safe AI that builds a better future for humanity".

Also joining us is Ted Lappas, who is head of technology at Conscium, and he is also one of our illustrious former guests on the podcast.

By way of full disclosure, Calum is CMO at Conscium, and David is on the Conscium advisory board.

Selected follow-ups:

• Conscium
• Satalia
• Six categories of application of AI
• Six singularities - TEDx talk by Daniel Hulme
• Professor Mark Solms
• Professor Karl Friston
• A recent paper on different theories of consciousness, by Patrick Butlin, Robert Long, et al
• Professor Nicola Clayton
• Professor Jonathan Birch
• WPP
• The Conscious AI meetup
• AI for organisations - Previous episode featuring Daniel Hulme
• How to use GPT-4 yourself - Previous episode featuring Ted Lappas

Music: Spike Protein, by Koi Discovery, available under CC0 1.0 Public Domain Declaration

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