You met Kail Lowry at 16, pregnant, on national TV. You never met the girl who came before her. This is a 10-minute preview of part one of my conversation with Kail on For The Hayters, the years no one was watching, told by a friend who thought she knew the whole story and didn't.

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For The Hayters is a podcast that normalizes hard conversations. Listener discretion is advised. TW: child neglect, addiction, sexual assault, abortion.

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