Most organizations are still implementing AI as point solutions, dropping new technology into existing workflows to do the same work, just slightly better. The real value lies in system solutions that completely transform how organizations operate. Avi Goldfarb, economist and co-author of Prediction Machines, joins Robb and Josh to explain why AI adoption follows predictable economic principles and why internal resistance, not technology limitations, is the primary barrier to transformation.

This conversation, recorded back in 2023, reminds us that most organizations continue to struggle with the same issues surrounding systemic change in 2026. Goldfarb's core argument: AI is fundamentally cheap prediction. Just as the internet made search and copying cheap, AI makes prediction cheap. When something becomes a commodity, the complements, the things that work alongside it, become more valuable. This includes compute power (benefiting Microsoft, Amazon, Google), unique data, and crucially, human judgment.

The problem? System solutions require organizational transformation. They create winners and losers inside companies. When AI enables insurance companies to shift from pricing risk (the domain of powerful underwriters) to reducing risk (requiring marketing and behavior change expertise), the power structure fractures. Vested interests resist.

Departments see their importance diminished. For leaders evaluating AI investments, the question isn't whether to adopt AI, it's whether you're willing to pursue system transformation and confront the organizational disruption that creates real value.

Chapters

00:00 - Intro: Avi Goldfarb on AI as “cheap prediction”

01:37 - Have LLMs changed the prediction framework?

03:36 - Do we need “new economics” for generative AI?

04:15 - What got cheaper on the internet: search, copying, communication

05:07 - What becomes more valuable as prediction gets cheap? (complements)

05:49 - OneReach.ai sponsor: runtime for AI agents (GSX)

06:46 - AI adoption inside companies: invest in people + workflows

08:13 - Unintended consequences: jobs, bias, discrimination

09:47 - The bigger question: new value creation (not just replacement)

10:33 - Upskilling: writing and opportunity expansion for millions

12:30 - "No more excuses”: using ChatGPT for clearer communication

14:50 - Social media déjà vu: noise, polarization, participation

17:04 - Intermediaries changed: self-publishing, music, podcasting

19:06 - AI commoditization: $600 models + implications for OpenAI

22:36 - Where the money is: compute, data, and complements (not predictions)---------- Support our show by supporting our sponsors!

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A complete system for accelerating AI adoption - design, train, test, deploy, monitor, and orchestrate neurosymbolic applications (agents).

- Use any AI models

- Build and deploy intelligent agents fast

- Create guardrails for organizational alignment

- Enterprise-grade security and governance

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Joshua Gans, economist and co-author of Prediction Machines (and holder of the Skoll Chair in Technical Innovation and Entrepreneurship at the Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto) joins Robb and Josh to reframe how enterprise leaders should think about AI. Rather than chasing the hype around artificial intelligence, Gans argues we should understand AI as an advance in computational statistics that drops the cost of prediction, reduces decision-making friction, and fundamentally reshapes organizational structure.

Many organizations are full of people waiting for phones to ring, managing buffers, absorbing uncertainty. As AI makes prediction cheap, this middle-management friction layer flattens. His new book, The Microeconomics of Artificial Intelligence, examines the ways AI enhances and perhaps enables decision-making, and how that’s poised to affect organizations and industries. The trio discusses the "hidden secret" of AI adoption that the people who choose the systems used to automate work are essentially "selecting their usurper." While AI will eliminate friction and flatten hierarchies, it will supercharge frontline workers rather than replace them.

Forbidding employees from experimenting with AI tools and pushing adoption underground prevents the learning curve needed for proficiency. For leaders navigating AI adoption, this conversation offers a clearer lens: stop thinking about intelligence, start thinking about prediction costs, friction reduction, and the organizational restructuring required to actually capture value. True AI transformation isn't about deploying models, it's about redesigning decision-making architecture across the enterprise.

https://www.joshuagans.com

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Backed by UC Berkeley, recognized by Gartner, and trusted across highly regulated industries, including healthcare, finance, government and telecommunications.

A complete system for accelerating AI adoption - design, train, test, deploy, monitor, and orchestrate neurosymbolic applications (agents).

- Use any AI models

- Build and deploy intelligent agents fast

- Create guardrails for organizational alignment

- Enterprise-grade security and governance

Chapters

0:00 — Who is Joshua Gans + why “Prediction Machines” still matters

1:34 — AI as prediction (and why that framing wins)

2:45 — The “AI startup” wave + the deep learning shift

3:25 — AI is computational statistics, not magic

4:22 — Why “Artificial Intelligence” is a misleading label

6:02 — Econ lens: what becomes cheaper + abundant

6:43 — Cheaper prediction: fraud → self-driving

7:47 — ChatGPT/LLMs: next-token prediction, new apps

9:16 — LLMs as decision support (info → output)

10:43 — Rules vs decisions (weather app example)

12:45 — Better decisions: error costs + human judgment

13:43 — Airports: “cathedrals to uncertainty”

16:02 — Hospitals: capacity is an information problem

18:07 — Digital twins: avatars, meetings, AI “TA”

22:06 — “Ship then shop”: Amazon, prediction, logistics + lock-in

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Before enterprises can deploy AI agents that actually work, they need something most organizations don't have: a single, authoritative source of truth. Joe DosSantos, Workday’s VP of Enterprise Data and Analytics, joins Robb and Josh for a wide-ranging conversation about canonical knowledge, the semantic layer, and why data governance, a concept from the 1990s, has suddenly become essential for AI deployment.

Large language models are predictive engines modeled to anticipate what users probably likely mean. For B2C applications where multiple interpretations are acceptable, this works fine. But enterprises need deterministic truth, not probabilistic guesses. The trio outline a solution in three layers: establishing canonical knowledge, building a semantic layer to translate between human definitions and machine-readable formats like YAML, and using LLMs as an interface to deterministic back-end systems.

For leaders evaluating AI investments, this episode clarifies what actually needs to be built before agents can deliver value: not flashy use cases, but the unglamorous, essential work of data governance and semantic translation.

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Backed by UC Berkeley, recognized by Gartner, and trusted across highly regulated industries, including healthcare, finance, government and telecommunications.

A complete system for accelerating AI adoption — design, train, test, deploy, monitor, and orchestrate neurosymbolic applications (agents).

- Use any AI models

- Build and deploy intelligent agents fast

- Create guardrails for organizational alignment

- Enterprise-grade security and governance

Request free prototype:

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---------- The revised and significantly updated second edition of our bestselling book about succeeding with AI agents, Age of Invisible Machines, is available everywhere:

Amazon — https://bit.ly/4hwX0a5

Chapters -

0:00 – Welcome to Invisible Machines

1:28 – Why AI Agents Fail Without a Source of Truth

2:34 – Canonical Knowledge Is More Than Feeding Data to an LLM

3:16 – LLMs Are Good at Language, Not Truth

4:16 – The Convergence of Governance and Generative AI

5:48 – Implicit vs Explicit Knowledge Explained

7:31 – Why Accuracy Breaks Down in AI

8:37 – The Real Launchpad for AI: Get the Facts Right

9:42 – Alignment, Not Intelligence, Is the Hard Problem

10:53 – Semantic Layers: Teaching Machines Meaning

12:38 – LLMs Are Interfaces, Not Systems

14:26 – Routing Questions: Inference vs Deterministic Answers

16:21 – Canonical Knowledge Requires Human Ownership

18:16 – There Is No ROI for Data (It’s the Foundation)

23:59 – From Use Cases to Systems Thinking

Episode Credits:

Robb Wilson - Host

Josh Tyson - Host

Elias Parker - Executive Producer

Vishal Menon - Producer

Maksym Zlydar - Audio/Video Editor

Mykhailo Lytvynov - Audio/Video Editor

Eugen Petruk - Graphic Design

Alla Slesarenko - Copy

Vira Prykhodko - Web Development

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Ben Goertzel, the researcher who helped popularize the terms "AGI" and “singularity”, as one of the most influential modern champions and systematizers of AGI, returns to Invisible Machines to discuss the decentralization of AI and what's actually missing from today's most advanced systems with Robb Wilson and Josh Tyson.

As enterprises rush to deploy AI agents and LLMs reshape workflows, a critical question emerges: who controls the infrastructure? Goertzel argues that while big tech dominates model development, a tension is building between centralized hegemony and decentralized, open systems — the same dynamic that shaped the internet itself.

In this wide-ranging conversation, Goertzel discusses his current work on Hyperon (the successor to OpenCog) and the ASI Chain, systems designed to enable decentralized AGI development. He explains why the rapid cycles of AI hype and disappointment — the traditional "AI winters and summers" — no longer slow progress the way they once did. The speed of change has accelerated into what he calls a "mathematical singularity," where six-month cycles replace decades-long shifts.

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Backed by UC Berkeley, recognized by Gartner, and trusted across highly regulated industries, including healthcare, finance, government and telecommunications.

A complete system for accelerating AI adoption — design, train, test, deploy, monitor, and orchestrate neurosymbolic applications (agents). 

• Use any AI models
• Build and deploy intelligent agents fast
• Create guardrails for organizational alignment
• Enterprise-grade security and governance

Request free prototype: 

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We’re in a moment when organizations are approaching agentic AI backwards, chasing flashy use cases instead of building the scaffolding that makes AI agents actually work at scale. Erika Flowers, who led NASA’s AI Readiness Initiative and has advised Meta, Google, Netflix, and Intuit, joins Robb and Josh for a frank and funny conversation about what's broken in enterprise AI adoption. She dismantles the myth of the "big sexy AI use case" and explains why most AI projects fail before they start. The trio makes the case that we're entering a post-software world, whether organizations are ready or not. Listen and learn why the scaffolding— or agent runtime — matters more than use cases, why organizational gaps kill AI projects, how to move projects from pilot to production, and what "post-software" actually means for enterprises.

Check out Erika’s podcast, “Flower Power Hour”: https://open.spotify.com/show/15BTSl9fWiH3QTmVAYj6Fd

Learn more about Erika at

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0:09 - NASA AI Readiness Explained | Erica Flowers on Agentic AI & Runtimes

1:48 - Why the “Big Sexy AI Use Case” Is a Lie

2:42 - AI Didn’t Start with ChatGPT: What NASA Has Been Doing for 30 Years

4:24 - Why AI Runtimes Matter More Than Any Single Use Case

5:21 - The Hidden AI Problem: Legacy Data, Silos & Organizational Reality

7:13 - The Boring AI That Actually Works (And Why Enterprises Ignore It)

8:10 - The AI Arms Race Nobody Understands

9:22 - AI Scaffolding Explained: The Metaphor Every Leader Needs to Hear

12:12 - AI Readiness Is Cultural Change, Not Just Technology

14:38 - From Parking Lots to Companies: How Simple AI Agents Quietly Scale

17:01 - Why Most AI Features Feel Useless in Real Products

19:08 - Stop Automating Spreadsheets: Ask AI the Question Instead

25:06 - The Post-Software Era: Why Designers Aren’t Enough Anymore

28:33 - UI Is a Medium: How AI Will Absorb Interfaces Entirely

46:24 - Infinite Content, Human Creativity, and the Future After AI

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Backed by UC Berkeley, recognized by Gartner, and trusted across highly regulated industries, including healthcare, finance, government and telecommunications.

A complete system for accelerating AI adoption - design, train, test, deploy, monitor, and orchestrate neurosymbolic applications (agents). 

• Use any AI models
• Build and deploy intelligent agents fast
• Create guardrails for organizational alignment
• Enterprise-grade security and governance

Request free prototype:

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As 2025 draws to a close, Robb and Josh look back on some of the conversations they had this year both on the podcast and advising major enterprises and government leaders to offer their predictions for agentic AI in 2026. With major disruptive forces like outbound AI in the hands of consumers and agent runtime environments allowing organizations to create scalable infrastructure for AI agents, next year could see seismic changes in the way investors look at companies, and the ways companies look at themselves. Featuring a look at the components of an agent runtime, as well as previews of upcoming episodes with returning guest Ben Goertzel of SingularityNET and Joshua Gans, co-author of Prediction Machines, this episode is required viewing for anyone charged with finding ROI with agentic AI. 

00:00 – Introduction to 2026 Agentic AI Predictions

01:12 – Outbound AI Arrives

02:30 – Scaling vs. Inventing AI

04:55 – Ben Goertzel Preview

06:45 – Scrappy Innovation in AI

08:20 – Invisible Work Explained

10:00 – Agents Job-Hunting for You

11:15 – Bottom-Up AI Adoption

13:10 – Layoffs, Knowledge Loss & AI

15:00 – The “Fake AI Expert” Problem

16:25 – Why Runtimes Matter

18:00 – What IDWs Actually Do

20:00 – Canonical Knowledge for Agents

28:20 – Invisible Work Demo

37:10 – Simulation Becomes the Next Frontier

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Backed by UC Berkeley, recognized by Gartner, and trusted across highly regulated industries, including healthcare, finance, government and telecommunications.

A complete system for accelerating AI adoption - design, train, test, deploy, monitor, and orchestrate neurosymbolic applications (agents). 

• Use any AI models
• Build and deploy intelligent agents fast
• Create guardrails for organizational alignment
• Enterprise-grade security and governance



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How did a Dutch company most people haven’t heard of come to hold the fate of AI? Marc Hijink, author of Focus — The ASML Way joins Josh and Robb to explore the insatiably precise process of producing the chips that power GPUs, and with them the AI taking shape all around us. Marc is a financial reporter and technology columnist for the Dutch daily newspaper NRC, and Focus is the result of decades of uncompromising, embedded reporting on ASML, which produces 90% of all chips worldwide. 



Operating out of a quiet town in the Netherlands, their extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography machines produce a steady stream of chips working with an accuracy of within a few atoms. The trio explores how the EUV process is as much probabilistic as it is deterministic, as well as the impact that different cultures have on ASML’s partnerships and pipeline. Relying on lenses that have to be grown from crystals, lithography is a high-stakes endeavor that requires a delicate balance of tooling and advanced engineering. We need it to power everything from smartphones to washing machines to traffic lights. With China looking for inroads into this foundational technology that has been controlled by the western world, this conversation is as timely as it is fascinating.

Chapters -

00:00 - Inside ASML

01:12 - How ASML Makes the World’s Chips

03:20 - Chip Supply Chain Fragility

04:55 - Marc Hijink’s ASML Reporting

07:00 - The Hidden Hardware Layer

08:20 - Chips & Geopolitics

11:00 - Chips Are Physical Matter

12:40 - Error Correction & Precision

14:30 - ASML x TSMC Partnership

16:45 - ASML’s Chaos Culture

19:40 - Dutch vs. German Engineering

28:20 - Moore’s Law Goes 3D

32:10 - ASML + Mistral AI

40:00 - Why ASML Can’t Be Copied

49:00 - How ASML Prioritizes Orders

55:10 - Agentic AI & Complexity

1:02:00 - Humans Adapting to AI

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Forged over a decade of R&D and proven in 10,000+ deployments, GSX lets enterprises design, build, and orchestrate secure, scalable AI agents and systems. Trusted across healthcare, finance, government, and telecom. 

• Use any AI models
• Build and deploy intelligent agents fast
• Create guardrails for organizational alignment
• Enterprise-grade security and governance
• Avoid vendor lock-in.

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Omar Santos is a Distinguished Engineer directing AI Security at Cisco. He’s here for a frank conversation about the realities of security in the agentic era. As more software is created on-the-fly by AI agents at the request of humans, security has to become an ever-present layer. Security will be built into complete agent runtime environments and will require constant human oversight and intervention, augmented by the ability to simulate outcomes to avoid risk. 

Omar is also the Co-Chair of the Coalition for Secure AI, and these are the things he’s thinking about on a daily basis. He sits down with Robb and Josh at the end of a travel blitz that included work surrounding OpenAI’s Stargate Project, a four-year $500b plan for new AI infrastructure in the United States. The trio discuss how the ongoing training of models and the rising demand for inference continue to push the demand for security across burgeoning technology ecosystems. 

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Forged over a decade of R&D and proven in 10,000+ deployments, GSX lets enterprises design, build, and orchestrate secure, scalable AI agents and systems. Trusted across healthcare, finance, government, and telecom. 

• Use any AI models
• Build and deploy intelligent agents fast
• Create guardrails for organizational alignment
• Enterprise-grade security and governance
• Avoid vendor lock-in.

Backed by UC Berkeley and recognized by Gartner.

Before you build or buy another AI solution, think about getting an AI system.

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Chapters -

00:00 - Intro and episode setup

00:33 - Meet Omar Santos and his role in AI security

01:00 - Security as the new programming

02:20 - Coalition for Secure AI and security as a new language

04:45 - Identity, access, and AI agents

06:09 - Scaling models and mega data centers

09:04 - Training vs inference and the compute explosion

12:54 - Budgets, compute, and hybrid human–AI security teams

15:16 - Checklists, guardrails, and spec-driven development

20:00 - From IDEs to agent swarms and background agents

25:19 - CodeGuard, rules for coding agents, and secure SDLC

32:00 - Why doing nothing is the biggest AI security risk

39:30 - Validating AI, AI safety levels, and open source dilemmas

46:00 - Private networks, insider AI agents, and embedded security

51:00 - Simulation, digital twins, and business-wide risk modeling

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As the CEO and Co-founder of Apollo GraphQL, Matt DeBergalis has a lot to say about the ways that organizations can confront their inherent complexity and build reliable systems for AI to flourish. He joins Robb and Josh to talk about how GraphQL has made it easier for developers to build meaningful, AI-powered solutions.

As an open-source language for APIs, GraphQL makes data fetching more precise and flexible. When utilized within an agent runtime environment, GraphQL gives organizations the ability to build their own tools. As Matt explains, this gives orgs an enormous edge with agentic AI, and helping teams move light on their feet, experiment, and adjust quickly.

The trio also reminisces about the early days of the internet and agrees that ChatGPT was the mother of all demos.

Looking for the Agent runtime episode - https://youtu.be/CddjTUWSaHA?si=86dSwjyE3uZGYY8F

Here is recent news Apollo announced at Summit last week :https://www.apollographql.com/newsroom/press-releases/apollo-expands-platform-to-power-the-agentic-future-at-graphql-summit-2025

Chapters -

00:00 - Intro and episode setup

02:10 - Unsung hero moment for GraphQL and agent energy

03:12 - GraphQL basics for APIs in an agent runtime

04:36 - Why GraphQL won - types, tooling, developer velocity

05:20 - API design UX - REST vs GraphQL for developers

06:54 - From developers to builders - laypeople using agents

07:00 - Will the term developer fade - future of dev work

12:28 - Edit over scratch - tools that elevate product taste

15:35 - Personalized small-batch software and 3D-print analogy

17:31 - Agent-personalized apps beyond siloed UIs

18:46 - GraphQL as business language - nouns, verbs, capabilities

29:04 - Deterministic rails vs non-deterministic models in finance

32:01 - Real guardrails with MCP to Agent to GraphQL

51:00 - Graph as backbone of agentic AI

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Forged over a decade of R&D and proven in 10,000+ deployments, GSX lets enterprises design, build, and orchestrate secure, scalable AI agents and systems. Trusted across healthcare, finance, government, and telecom.

• Use any AI models
• Build and deploy intelligent agents fast
• Create guardrails for organizational alignment
• Enterprise-grade security and governance
• Avoid vendor lock-in

Backed by UC Berkeley and recognized by Gartner.

Before you build or buy another AI solution, think about getting an AI system.

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Josh and Robb get together to share a short but deep dive into agent runtime environments. Agent runtimes are the missing piece in the many AI projects out in the world that never reach production. Robb explains how runtimes allow businesses to orchestrate AI agents so they can collaborate around business objectives and drive real ROI. Runtimes also give agents access to canonical “source-of-truth” knowledge bases and tools like MCP and A2A that allow them to pull the levers of existing software. Robb and Josh discuss the major investments in time and money required to build a runtime from scratch and why finding a complete agent runtime lets organizations make quick strides with the complex technologies associated with AI.

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