This episode does a deep dive into stock-based compensation (SBC) and employee equity. Joining CJ for this conversation is Curt Sigfstead, the CFO of Clio, a leading vertical software provider for legal firms. CJ and Curt unpack the complexities of SBC, examining its importance, evolution, and how to effectively communicate its value to potential hires and the organization as a whole. They cover the evolution of share types as a company scales and how finance leaders should budget for equity compensation. Then Curt provides a detailed walkthrough of Clio's recent fundraising process, highlighting the importance of meeting and beating financial targets to maintain investor confidence. You’ll also hear about building trust with everyone you work with and strategies for CFOs to empower founders to do their best work.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Preview and Intro

(01:56) Sponsor – Operators Guild | Maxio

(04:47) Is Stock-Based Compensation Real?

(06:36) Why SBC Has Been Ignored for So Long

(11:39) SBC for Private Versus Public Companies

(13:05) The Mechanism by Which Employees Are Rewarded with Equity

(16:28) Sponsor – RemoFirst | Mercury | NetSuite

(19:52) Explaining the Potential Value of Equity to Prospective Hires

(23:18) Talking to the Organization About the Value of Equity

(26:09) Budgeting for Equity Compensation

(30:41) The Round That Clio Just Raised

(35:58) Strategies for Empowering Founders

(42:22) Filling the Trust Battery

(44:03) Meeting and Beating Your Numbers During a Fundraise

(49:31) Long-Ass Lightning Round: The Biggest Mistakes Curt Made

(53:06) Advice to Younger Self

(54:40) Finance Software Stack

(55:38) Craziest Expense Story

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