The fantastic Jen Saarbach and Kristen Kelly from “The Wall Street Skinny” podcast join me today for a candid and super fun crossover episode on the challenges women face breaking into and growing their careers in the male-dominated industries of Tech and Finance.

Jen and Kristen tell us how they started “The Wall Street Skinny” to democratize access to the world of high finance via their incredible podcast and lighthearted but value-packed social media posts. Turns out there’s more to the industry than we see in the movie The Wolf of Wall Street with Leo DiCaprio and Margot Robbie! Who knew?!

We all shared some of our career horror stories, including Jen’s (which she turned into a hilarious viral video) about how being a few minutes late to an interview can completely derail your shot at a big job. They also share that Wall Street is actually accessible to…English majors?!

But it's not just the hurdles of getting your foot in the door. Once you're in, we all face ageism (either levied against the young or the old, depending on the industry - we’ll reveal what we mean here!) and sexism through microaggressions, lack of mentorship opportunities, and assumptions. We dive into these realities and highlight the importance of age diversity in both industries.

We also discuss AI’s double-edged sword—its potential to both automate away jobs and also revolutionize fields like gene editing.

So whether you're well-established in your career or just getting started, our chat has you covered. Did I mention we had a lot of fun? Join us for our wide-ranging but impactful conversation.

"We have structured society so differently than it was historically so that you aren't hitting the same milestones. You aren't necessarily graduating from college at 22, going to business school at 25, getting married at 30, having kids by 35, retiring at 65. Those milestones have all shifted and are no longer fixed points." 

- Jen Saarbach

In This Episode:

-Challenges and opportunities for women in finance

-Ageism in the tech industry

-Women representation and role models in finance and tech

-The challenges of starting a career in the finance industry

-The apprenticeship model in finance and its impact on career paths

-Challenges of entering finance later in life

-The importance of age diversity in finance and tech

-The role of venture capitalists in guiding founders

-The impact of AI on career paths

And much more!

Learn Finance From The Wall Street Skinny:

-Website: https://www.thewallstreetskinny.com/

-Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-wall-street-skinny/id1680425507 

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thewallstreetskinny/ 

-TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thewallstreetskinny 

Connect with Jen Saarbach:

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jennifersaarbach/ 

-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-saarbach-realtor 

Connect with Kristen Kelly:

-LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristen-kelly-71bb7814

Connect with Maureen Clough:

-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/

-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1

-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/

-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/

-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

Ever wonder what it takes to build and sell a tech company for millions without venture capital? Well, we've got the inside story straight from the source!

Today I'm chatting with Sharon Gillenwater, a trailblazing entrepreneur who did just that - she built and sold her tech company (Boardroom Insiders) for a cool $25 million, all without relying on VC funding! She is the author of Scaling with Soul, which chronicles how she built, scaled, and sold her company.

Sharon's not your typical tech founder - in fact, she didn't even have a technical background when she started her company. But she proved that you don't need to be a coder to succeed in the startup world. 

Sharon shares her unconventional entrepreneurial journey, the challenges she faced as a woman in tech, and the surprising advantage of being an "older" entrepreneur.

We'll also get the scoop on Sharon's viral TikTok fame, the truth about VC funding (hint: you don't always need it!), and her mission to democratize entrepreneurship and create more respectful workplaces.

Whether you're an aspiring entrepreneur or just curious about the wild world of tech startups, you don't want to miss this episode. Sharon's story is proof that you can absolutely make it big in this industry, even if you don't fit the mold, so tune in!

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"You don't have to be a Mark Zuckerberg to be an entrepreneur. Or a Sarah Blakely. You can be a Sharon Gillenwater and make all your retirement money and have a great retirement. And you don't have to take venture capital." 

- Sharon Gillenwater

In This Episode:

-How Sharon built and sold a $25m tech company without venture capital

-How to overcome self-doubt and insecurity as an entrepreneur

-Women’s experience in entrepreneurship in the 80s

-The downside of venture capital funding for founders

-How to identify business opportunities

-Employee care strategies and the importance of a positive work culture

-Employment challenges in the tech industry

-Sharon's TikTok fame and content creation journey

-Navigating business exits after venture capital funding

And much more!

Resources:

-Scaling With Soul: How I Built & Sold a $25 Million Tech Company Without Being an A**hole - https://www.amazon.com/Scaling-Soul-Million-Company-Without/dp/1964377013 

Connect with Sharon Gillenwater:

-Website: https://www.sharonkgillenwater.com/ 

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sharonkgillenwater/

-TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sharonkgillenwater 

-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonkgillenwater/

Connect with Maureen Clough:

-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/

-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1

-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/

-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/

-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

In a recent study by Fortune, one in five Gen Z’s reported not having spoken to anyone over 50 in the workplace in the last year, while 40% of people over 55 said they hadn't talked to a Gen Z. How did we get here?

How do we bridge this generational divide? Are the five generations at work a challenge to overcome, or are they an overlooked source of strength? 

Today I host the brilliant Professor Megan Gerhardt, founder and author of Gentelligence. Megan challenges the lazy stereotypes that pit generations against each other. She advocates for understanding our differences as an opportunity for mutual growth and innovation. 

One concept that really resonated was Megan's vision for "mutual mentoring" – an approach that replaces traditional top-down mentorship with a reciprocal exchange of knowledge and perspectives. 

So, whether you're a tech titan grappling with a multi-generational workforce or simply seeking to bridge the gap with colleagues from different age groups, this conversation is for you. 

Tune in to learn how you can foster smarter intergenerational conversations to transform your workplace into an environment where every generation feels valued and empowered.

“I believe generations matter, but they certainly are not everything. They are the beginning of the conversation to me, not the end of the conversation.” 

- Megan Gerhardt

In This Episode:

-An introduction to the Gentelligence concept

-The importance of age in the DE&I conversations

-Intergenerational warfare and generational labels

-Practical tools for smarter intergenerational conversations

-How to leverage generational norms

-The impact of remote work on workplace engagement and identity

-How to build intergenerational friendships

-Why mutual mentorship is beneficial

And much more.

Resources: 

-Purchase Professor Megan's book “Gentelligence”: https://a.co/d/ckOhax9 

-Join Gentelligence Academy: https://gentelligenceacademy.com/ 

Connect with Professor Megan Gerhardt:

-Website: https://profgerhardt.com/

-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/megangerhardt

Connect with Maureen Clough:

-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/

-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1

-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/

-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/

-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

In our hustle-obsessed society, the concept of "work-life balance" has become a twisted, unattainable ideal. From the dawn of our careers, we're fed narratives that glorify overachievement and self-sacrifice for the corporate grind.

But what if we've been sold a lie? What if the real keys to fulfillment lie in dismantling those deeply ingrained notions?

My guest today is Danielle Roberts, the bold anti-career coach. Danielle was well on her way to "having it all" - the prestigious job, the six-figure salary, the big promotion. But at what cost? She found herself drained, unfulfilled, and questioning the very purpose of her relentless grind. 

From debunking the "lazy millennial" myths to questioning if a four-day workweek goes far enough, we explore the systemic issues warping our relationship to work. Danielle shares candid insights on why the perpetual grind robs us of joy and how to start uncoupling your identity from your job title.

Whether you're questioning your own work-life balance, feeling the creep of burnout, or simply craving more purpose beyond the 9-to-5 grind, this conversation is a must-listen. Tune in as we dive into practical strategies for finding joy and fulfillment outside of your career.

“We talk about work-life balance as if work is something to be balanced against life, but we need it (work) to be coherent with life.” 

- Danielle Roberts

In This Episode:

-Danielle’s journey from corporate to anti-career coaching

-Why people are disenchanted with corporate employment

-The tech industry's broken promises, layoffs, and lies

-Navigating career uncertainty and embracing self-worth

-Redefining success and getting comfortable with "failure"

-A holistic approach to career coaching

-Generational differences in the workplace

-Quiet quitting, lazy girl jobs, and a four-day workweek

And much more.

Resources: 

-Buy “Already Enough: A Path to Self-Acceptance” by Lisa Olivera: https://amzn.eu/d/bJIt4PG  

Connect with Danielle Roberts:

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/imdanielleroberts/

-Website: https://danielleroberts.co/

Connect with Maureen Clough:

-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/

-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1

-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/

-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/

-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

In our fast-paced, career-driven world, it's all too easy for friendships to take a backseat. But for many men, that dwindling social circle isn't just an occasional inconvenience - it's a harsh reality made worse by societal pressures and masculine stereotypes. 

My guest today is Max Dickins, speaker, comedian, and author of Billy No-Mates: How I Realised Men Have a Friendship Problem.

What’s his story? As Max was preparing to propose to his girlfriend, he had a startling realization - his circle of close male friends had dwindled to nearly nothing. He had no best man! Basically it was the real life version of the Paul Rudd and Jason Segal movie “I Love You, Man!” This experience sparked an exploration into the challenges men face in maintaining platonic bonds, especially as they get older.

From the isolating impacts of demanding work lives to the discomfort many men feel around vulnerability and emotional intimacy, we dive deep into the root causes of male loneliness and its impact on men’s health.  

But it's not all doom and gloom! Max offers practical strategies for breaking the cycle, such as being proactive in your social life, understanding your career's impact on relationships, and the concept of "repotting" friendships to build deeper connections.

Whether you're a guy struggling to keep your mates close or a partner wondering how to support the male relationships in your life, this episode is a must-listen, so tune in now!

"If we ran our social life with the same diligence, creativity, and structure that we ran our business life, everyone would have amazing social lives."

- Max Dickins

In This Episode:

-The story behind Max’s book “Billy No-Mates.”

-Why do men struggle to make and maintain friendships as they age?

-The impact of work on male friendships

-Why do men have more female friends than male friends?

-Tips on how to make new friends easily as a man

-How to build strong male friendships at work

-How women can support their partners in building their social circles

And much more.

Purchase Max Dickins’ Book:

-Waterstones: https://www.waterstones.com/book/we-need-to-talk-to-kevin/max-dickins/9781838853518 

-Amazon: https://a.co/d/01zG7Dr

Connect with Max Dickins:

-LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/max-dickins-improv 

-Website: https://www.maxdickins.com/

-Instagram: http://instagram.com/maxdickinswrites

Connect with Maureen Clough:

-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/

-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1

-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/

-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/

-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100088694515585

Ever wondered what it's like to work at Amazon? I mean, if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere, just like New York, right? It feels like after you’ve done time at Amazon, your meal ticket is punched, and you’ll have a cascade of job offers and great opportunities thereafter. But would you give your soul in exchange for a career at Amazon?

In this episode, I have Kristi Coulter, a brilliant author who wrote the book Exit Interview. She's also a writing professor and an editorial coach, so she helps people get their books into the world.

Exit Interview is about Kristi's experience of 12 years at Amazon corporate. It is an incisive, hilarious book, and as a woman reading it, I felt it was so needed in the literary world. We needed someone to voice what was happening on the inside in corporate employment. 

We get into the sexism and double standards she faced, her tumultuous attempts to advance up the Amazon career ladder, her relationship with ambition, her sobriety journey, and how she has both learned - and proven - that it is never too late to change in life. She also recounts how Amazon - and specifically, Jeff Bezos - responded to the famous New York Times expose of Amazon by Jodi Kantor (who also broke the Harvey Weinstein abuse scandal). You definitely don’t want to miss that story.

And by the way, the brutal culture Kristi experienced at work is not unique to Amazon, but is something people from many in tech can relate to, so I found it cathartic to read.

So, if you’re wondering, "Oh, Amazon, what's it like there?" join us as we peel back the mystique and aura of Amazon. Don’t worry, we’ll get some solid and entertaining Jeff Bezos anecdotes up in there.

"I know there's this myth that people who make that kind of money aren't really working. But I could tell you, at Amazon, those people were working insanely hard. Like so hard that I would think, ‘you know, you're worth tens of millions of dollars, why are you answering emails on Sunday night? … Why don't you go on more vacations?’"

- Kristi Coulter

In This Episode:

-Why Kristi wrote her book 

-Climbing the corporate ladder at Amazon

-What was it like getting a job at Amazon as a 36-year-old woman?

-How do you react to a weird situation in the workplace?

-Living and working in a place where "drinking" is part of the culture

-Kristi's leadership example at a luxury retreat 

-One more humorous interlude 

-The New York Times article and the response from Jeff Bezos

-Does Jeff Bezos actually care about diversity and equity?

And much more.

Resources:

-Exit Interview: The Life and Death of My Ambitious Career by Kristi Coulter - https://www.amazon.com/Exit-Interview-Death-Ambitious-Career/dp/0374600902

-Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace - https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html

-Jeff Bezos Responds To 'New York Times' Report On Amazon's Workplace - https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/jeff-bezos-responds-to-new-york-times-report-on-amazons-workplace/

Connect with Kristi Coulter:

-Website: https://www.kristicoulter.com/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kristicccoulter

-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristicoulter

Connect with Maureen Clough:

-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/

-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1

-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/

-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/

-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100088694515585

Becoming a manager through a promotion or receiving a job offer is a rewarding accomplishment for an employee. While these opportunities can prove exciting for both first-time and long-time managers, not everyone is innately gifted with the skills it takes to be a good manager. Ask just about anyone, and they’ll tell you about that bad boss (or 7) they’ve had across their corporate careers.

In today's episode, the relatable and sharp Ashley Herd of Manager Method and HR Besties and I explore what it means to be a manager and how new managers can adapt to their leadership positions. We discuss common workplace challenges managers face and tips on navigating those challenges.  

We also touch on this interesting concept called ikigai, which is the convergence of four areas of life: what you love, what you're good at, what the world needs, and what you can be paid for.

Ashley worked as a lawyer in BigLaw (Ogletree Deakins) and leading companies (including McKinsey and Yum! Brands). She also served as General Counsel and Head of HR for the nation’s largest luxury media company (Modern Luxury). 

Ashley is a LinkedIn Learning instructor on people management and co-hosts the HR Besties podcast (a Top 10 Business Podcast on Apple Podcasts and Spotify - and one of my personal favorites). She has been featured by CNN, Financial Times, HR Brew, and BuzzFeed. Ashley is an expert in providing a crucial skill set that will benefit your organization and redefine people leadership.

"I remember my husband's great-aunt, Norma, saying to me, "It's so good to have friendships of different generations." At that time, I didn't appreciate it. I didn't appreciate it until I was older, and I now have those different ones on different sides."

- Ashley Herd

In This Episode:

-Why Ashley created the Manager Method

-Who is this "Luke" that appears in Ashley's videos?

-How to communicate layoffs with humanity

-The legal consequences of passing on layoff decisions to managers

-Is aiming for promotion the only path to staying employed?

-How to manage intergenerational workforce politics

-Encouraging workplace diversity and mentoring across generations

-How the HR Besties podcast came about

And much more.

Resources:

-Radical Candor by Kim Scott - https://kimmalonescott.com/radical-candor

Connect with Ashley Herd:

-Website: https://www.managermethod.com/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/managermethod/

-HR Besties Podcast: https://www.hrbesties.com/

-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyherd/

Connect with Maureen Clough:

-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/

-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1

-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/

-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/

-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100088694515585

When applying for a job, the hiring process can feel like a waiting game. But what's even worse than waiting for who knows how long or being ghosted altogether is blatantly experiencing age bias while in an interview with a recruitment officer. That's what today’s guest, Vern Six, experienced, which he shared in a LinkedIn post that resonated with many people. In fact, the post went beyond viral, getting millions of views and garnering national media attention.

What happened? Vern had a recruiter inform him that he's supposedly too old for a software developer role. He couldn’t believe that "a young whippersnapper" in his twenties had the nerve to condense his 37 years of experience into such a dismissive statement. 

Vern is an experienced Full-Stack Software Engineer and Project Manager with a demonstrated track record of leading technology projects to successful completion in diverse sectors. But he's over 50, and it turns out, that's a big issue for many recruiters.

Vern is here today to share the story behind his viral post, and the whirlwind that has happened since then. I'm sure many of you can relate to his encounter with a much younger interviewer and how their conversation ended.

Join us as we discuss the issue of ageism in tech and what we can do to spread awareness about the value that older workers bring to the workplace. 

"People just think that once you're kind of pigeonholed in a particular stack, that's the way you are, and you're not going to move away from it. It's just not true."

- Vern Six

In This Episode:

-The background behind the viral post and what's happened since then

-Vern's experience being an "old guy" in tech

-A deluge of love and hate for Vern's post

-Why is ageism prevalent in the tech industry?

-The value of older workers and their vast experience

-A difference in perception of age bias between technical roles and sales roles

-Vern shares his career path and current business venture

-When did Vern start feeling the fear of ageism? 

-The extent to which Vern discusses ageism beyond his viral post

And much more.

Resources:

-Vern's Viral Post: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7167946832742928385/

-LinkedIn Group – Inclusive Futures: Combating Ageism & Discrimination https://www.linkedin.com/groups/14418151/

Connect with Vern Six:

-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vernsix/

-Website: https://purposebrewcoffee.com/

Connect with Maureen Clough:

-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/

-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1

-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/

-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/

-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100088694515585

As more people live longer, consumer brands need to consider the needs of the older population. Companies that neglect senior consumers, especially the Baby Boomers, can end up missing a massive opportunity to attract and retain a growing market and make a ton of money along the way.

Older generations, those 50 and older, make up 51% of consumer spending. Despite the prevalence of youth in advertisements, older people spend way, way more money than younger generations (because they have more disposable income). Like young people, older folks also want to learn about brands to stay informed on new and significant trends. So, smart brands will soon wake up to the fact it is time to tap into the growing senior market and leverage the power of older consumers. The longevity economy, the largest and fastest-growing market in the world, is an opportunity marketers can't afford to ignore. 

My guest today is Brian Clark, a digital marketing and tech entrepreneur, proud Gen X’er, and author of Longevity Gains, a Substack newsletter about the longevity economy. Join us as we discuss the massive demographic shift that's about to happen, why people should actually be excited about getting older, and the need for intergenerational harmony. We have a lot of fun along the way, too. 

"You hit 50, and I'm telling you, I'm living proof you get happier. And the happiest decade of life is your 70s."

- Brian Clark

In This Episode:

-What is the longevity economy?

-Why are we now becoming more aware of ageism?

-Are marketers deliberately ignoring older consumers? Why or why not?

-Which companies are attracting and retaining older consumers?

-The need for intergenerational harmony

-Why many people are not excited about growing older

-Where can companies get insights on marketing to older consumers?

-Hope for the older generation and those who are getting there

And much more.

Resources:

-Further: Midlife Health, Wealth, and Personal Growth Newsletter: https://further.net/

-The Longevity Economy by Dr. Joseph Coughlin: https://longevityeconomy.com/

Connect with Brian Clark:

-Website: https://www.longevitygains.com/

-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thatbrianclark/

Connect with Maureen Clough:

-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/

-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1

-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/

-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/

-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100088694515585

Are you yearning for a more fulfilling midlife? Turning 40, 50, or 60 is a big deal, and a bit scary for many people. However, we can shift our mindset to view it as something hopeful: the beginning of our second adulthood. 

Instead of thinking of it as a period of decline, we can embrace this period and even begin to feel happier with each passing year. We can start redefining who we are beyond our bodies or personalities. Think of it as a transition period and a space for new beginnings.

Easier said than done? Well, I have someone with me today to show us what’s in store for people crossing the midlife mark. After listening to this episode, I'm certain that you will be more excited about what’s next in life. 

Join me in this meaningful conversation with MEA co-founder and poetic Chief Education Officer Jeff Hamaoui. He is a gentle and empathic facilitator, a business innovation veteran, and a community builder who has taught sustainability courses at Wharton, Berkeley, and Stanford.

MEA Wisdom (formerly known as Modern Elder Academy) is the world’s first midlife wisdom school. This special school helps you embrace change and thrive in times of transition, equips you with the tools to ignite your life with purpose, and unearth your wisdom, and unlock your hidden potential, all while embracing your second adulthood.

Jeff has opened my eyes to new possibilities, and I'm excited to head off sometime soon to Baja to join their in-person workshops and enjoy every moment on a sun-drenched stretch of the Pacific, far away from the usual day-to-day worries!

"Transitions is how we handle change. That's it. And the way we handle change in our lives determines whether we grow or shrink."

- Jeff Hamaoui

In This Episode:

-What is the Modern Elder Academy (MEA Wisdom)?

-What is a transition?

-The three key factors of healthy aging

-What is the experience like at MEA Wisdom?

-How Jeff met Chip Conley and discovered an idyllic home

-What is regeneration, and how does it apply to human beings?

-Finding your wisdom and purpose as you age

And much more.

Resources:

-Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wiser-than-me-with-julia-louis-dreyfus/id1678559416

-Life is in the Transitions by Bruce Feiler: https://www.brucefeiler.com/books-articles/life-is-in-the-transitions/

-Live to 100: Secrets of the Blue Zones: https://media.netflix.com/en/only-on-netflix/81214929

-Regeneration by Paul Hawken: https://regeneration.org/the-book

Connect with Jeff Hamaoui:

-Website: https://www.meawisdom.com/

-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-hamaoui-a3318

Connect with Maureen Clough:

-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/

-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1

-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/

-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/

-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100088694515585