On The Gist, Trump's fundamental misreading of politics.

In the interview, Garrett Graff's afternoon was as busy as any journalist's, picking through the redacted Mueller report released by the Department of Justice. There's something new on every page, Graff says, including the Trump campaign's awareness of Russian efforts against Hillary Clinton—and its expectation to benefit from them politically. Graff wrote a biography of Robert Mueller. His latest ebook is Mueller's War.

In the Spiel, Mueller did a great job, and if this report came out in a different climate it'd actually lead to real consequences.

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