Bakker is back, and he wants you to argue better! "Can't we all get along?" sounds like one of the most naive questions in the world, but in truth, it's one of the most Christlike things we can do. Our guest Jay Bakker, punk-rock pastor, author, and independent scholar, has long been a champion of arguing well, giving others grace, and also calling out intolerance--both on the right and on the left. In this conversation, we dig into what is going on in our country, the deep and wounding polarization, and the lessons we can learn from how figures ranging from Paul to MLK Jr to John Hume to our beloved Tammy Faye (Jay's mom) found a foundation for dialogue in the midst of the conflicts of their times. 

Jay Bakker is the pastor and founder of Revolution Gathering (https://revolutionchurch.com/), a radically inclusive online community of believers and seekers who want to do church in a way that fits their values, without the partisanship and division. He's on YouTube with his latest message every week--go watch, like, and subscribe at https://www.youtube.com/@revolutionbroadcasting! Jay is also the author of "Son of a Preacher Man", which recounts his experience growing up as the son of famed televangelists Jim and Tammy Bakker, and the more recent books "Fall to Grace: A Revolution of God, Self & Society" and "Faith, Doubt, and Other Lines I've Crossed." 

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