Special guest Jeane Freeman joins this episode. Jeane served as Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport from 2018 to 2021. She was SNP MSP for the Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley constituency from 2016 to 2021. Calum, Geoff and Andy question her on the relationship between the Greens and the SNP and whether The Bute House agreement is clear enough. Jeane also reflects on her days as Health Secretary during the Covid pandemic. She tells us about her biggest regret as Health Secretary as well as how she reflects on the pandemic and, crucially, what she believes does - and does not - need to be done to reform the NHS in Scotland. She also considers the tone of the political debate in Scotland, both in the SNP leadership contest and in wider politics, too. She wants the SNP to act like "grown-ups" and that it is no bad thing that there is disagreement within the party. She says it is "healthy and potentially constructive."

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