Host Brandon Contes interviews motorsports staff writer for The Athletic, Jeff Gluck. Brandon and Jeff discuss a wide range of topics including the fallout from Martinsville as well as the 23XI Racing-Front Row Motorsports lawsuit against NASCAR, making a living in the early days of Patreon, Michael Jordan possibly becoming a NASCAR champion team owner while suing NASCAR, and more.

-:46: Being childhood friends with Awful Announcing’s Ben Koo

-1:45: Growing up in Northern California

-3:12: Going to college/covering the Super Bowl

-4:53: What lured Jeff to NASCAR?

-6:49: Learning about NASCAR while covering the sport

-9:36: Leaving USA Today in 2017

-13:45: Being on Patreon

-18:58: NASCAR media access

-20:40: Covering NASCAR while not in Charlotte

-23:29: Kyle Busch/Joey Logano fight video

-29:50: Joining The Athletic

-32:16: Going back to working for a company

-36:09: Having content separate from The Athletic

-38:51: Working for The Athletic pre-New York Times purchase and during

-42:28: How did Patreon subscribers react to Athletic move?

-44:28: Backlash from USA Today article on the state of NASCAR in 2016

-47:20: What is the current state of NASCAR on TV?

-50:38: NASCAR embracing a younger, more diverse fanbase

-53:46: Confederate flag ban

-56:39: 23XI Racing/Front Row Motorsports antitrust lawsuit against NASCAR

-1:01:03: Revenue split to teams now and in the next deal?

-1:04:06: NASCAR’s reasoning for not having permanent charters?

-1:05:25: Michael Jordan in NASCAR

-1:07:51: Will NASCAR give Tyler Reddick the championship trophy if he wins?

-1:08:42: What happens to 23XI and Front Row?

-1:10:27: Massive controversy at Martinsville

-1:13:47: Will NASCAR change playoff system

-1:15:51: Does NASCAR like the controversy?

-1:16:49: Championship 4

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