Jerm and Todd Hayen, a psychotherapist and author known for his alternative takes on psychology and societal manipulation, explore the complexities of truth, the grip of dogma, and the psychological underpinnings of belief.

They discuss how firsthand experiences shape perceptions, the way consumer culture distracts from deeper realities, and the hurdles created by propaganda.

The chat also covers historical leaders, cultural viewpoints, and the essence of empathy in grasping truth, ultimately stressing the need for nuance and open-mindedness in a polarised world riddled with controlled narratives.

Todd's Substack: https://www.shrewviews.com

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