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Today’s guest is Reverend Cindy Pincus—minister, death doula, and someone who I now consider a spiritual comrade. We originally met at a First Friday art market in Denver when she walked straight up to my table and picked up my “Money + the Spiritual Path” zine. I remember thinking, this person has sparkles around them. And I was right.

In this conversation, Cindy shares the wild, beautiful, and unexpected path that’s led her through Christian seminary, Indigenous ceremony, psychic training, and years of hospice and hospital chaplaincy. She speaks with rare clarity about death, grief, ministry, and spiritual courage—and about the surprising places her deepest convictions came from. (Spoiler: one involved a protest, a votive candle, and a head injury.)

There were a few things said in this interview that blew my mind — I hope you love it!

We cover:

• Cindy’s surprising journey from culturally Jewish roots to Christian ministry
• What it means to have a conversion experience in the modern world
• Her years working with death—hospitals, hospice, and the spiritual wisdom of the dying
• Why she believes Jesus was psychic (and probably a witch)
• The beauty and power of not looking away from grief, endings, and the collapse of empire