Today, Lisa welcomes her friend, pastor and author Sharon Hodde Miller to JOE today. Sharon leads Bright City Church in Durham, NC with her husband, Ike, which they planted together in 2018. Sharon earned her M.Div. from Duke Divinity School, and her PhD from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, where she researched the topic of women and calling. Lisa and Sharon talk about control, which is the topic of Sharon's latest book, The Cost of Control: Why We Crave it, The Anxiety It Gives Us and the Real Power God Promises. This is a must listen conversation on JOE today.

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