After hearing him in many different conversations, and discovering our revelations in common, I’m totally stoked to talk with Joel Schafer myself.

You could say not everyone gets excited about a journey in the underworld, rather they avoid it like the plague. But there are those that take on this blood sport (half joking) to meet the unmet, in potentially multiple dimensions no less.

In this King Hero interview I’ll tell the story about my history with the shamanic spiritual path compared with what happened, and ask Joel about the multi-facets of the path including — the cults and cult leaders he encountered, the benefits and potential pitfalls of having a psychedelic pallet to heal, vision, and CREATE with, and the ultimate goal of the work he guides.

We’ll go deep into the cosmology of his Toltec teachers, and his direct experiences that are off the map of their teachings. And no discussion in the shamanic realm would be complete without exploring the nature of entities, demons, possessions, and how they may relate with psychedelic experiences.

Learn more about Joel

Joel Schafer is a personal empowerment mentor & shamanic dreaming arts teacher. Through online courses, one-on-one mentoring & in-person workshops, Joel trains people in a highly effective way to reclaim vital energy & attention utilizing the Toltec knowledge base. These are powerful nonlinear redistribution techniques that guide & support students in discovering clear purpose, increasing awareness, getting grounded, reclaiming focus & accessing strong intent. Joel is also an excellent listener and mirror, offering practical but magical solutions to life's challenges.

Visit his YouTube channel, Perceiver

https://www.youtube.com/@sunwolf1111

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https://www.instagram.com/joel.schafer

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I’m Beth Martens, a pattern hunter, archetype reader, podcaster, author, coach trainer, and business coach, and my calling is a life or death thing. After a decade as a corporate VP in my family’s firm, eight trips to India, and a three-year battle with cancer nearly 25 years ago, I used archetypes and deprogramming harmful patterns to save my life.

I was doing nearly everything wrong, in the physical, but tapped into and let go of the roots of the matter that were embedded and unconscious. And I went from dying to living practically overnight.

Today I help people who love the truth more than their beliefs, and who want to serve with their life's work and be on their Hero’s Journey, to de-program the beast system and stop making it easy for those trying to kill us.

I host regular King Hero interviews highlighting leaders, entrepreneurs, movement makers, and lovers of freedom.