In today's flashback, an outtake from Episode 520, my conversation with author Jonathan Ames.

Ames is the author of several books, including I Pass Like Night; The Extra Man; What's Not to Love?; My Less Than Secret Life; Wake Up, Sir!; I Love You More Than You Know; The Alcoholic; The Double Life Is Twice as Good, and most recently, a string of noir novels, including You Were Never Really Here (which was dapted into the acclaimed film starring Joaquin Phoenix), A Man Named Doll, and The Wheel of Doll. He is also the creator of two television series, Blunt Talk and Bored to Death, and has had two amateur boxing matches, fighting as "The Herring Wonder."

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