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Jonathan Gluck | Author of “An Exercise in Uncertainty” | Ep. #986


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Jonathan Gluck is an award-winning writer and editor who was diagnosed with multiple myeloma at age 38 and given just 18 months to live. Over 21 years later, he joins Tom to share how fishing helped him survive, how mindset plays into healing, and why he wrote An Exercise in Uncertainty.

This episode covers purpose, parenting, diagnosis, remission, resilience, and how to live when you don't know how much time you have left.

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Tune in to hear this inspiring story and learn from John's experiences. You can also buy Jonathan’s book, “An Exercise in Uncertainty” wherever books are sold. 


00:00 Introduction and Greetings

00:18 Fishing in Idaho and Jackson

00:47 The Glory Days of Fishing

01:16 Challenges of the Salmon Fly Hatch

02:54 Introducing the Book: An Exercise in Uncertainty

03:17 John's Illness and Diagnosis

03:51 Fishing as a Lifeline

04:47 Writing and Fishing Adventures

08:17 Career and Writing Focus

10:23 The Diagnosis Journey

18:26 Coping with Uncertainty

26:02 Purpose and Priorities

29:10 Fishing Dreams and Realities

33:25 Reflections on Health and Life

35:42 Facing Mortality and Embracing Life

36:45 Dealing with Remission and Relapse

39:22 Finding Solace in Fishing

42:36 The Role of Diet and Exercise

44:56 Advice for Cancer Patients

48:08 Writing the Book: A Journey of Reflection

53:53 The Importance of Mindset

01:05:08 Publishing and Promoting the Book

01:13:12 Final Thoughts and Future Plans


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