This week on the Penguin Podcast, Nihal Arthanayake is joined by English writer and national treasure, Julian Barnes.

He joins us to discuss the paperback publication of his most recent novel, Elizabeth Finch.

Nihal and Julian also discuss his 'controlled' friendship with novelist Anita Brookner, how his worldview has been shaped by his french perspective, why Olympic women rowers move him to tears, and why the British need to honestly address their imperial history.

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