In part 1 of a 2 part conversation I attempt to engage with former co-host Coleman Hughes in a deep, difficult, and (hopefully) helpful debate about Israel, Palestine, Zionism, and the meaning of justice.We dig into:The “good guys vs bad guys” framing of Hamas and IsraelVillain origin stories and why history mattersZionism, the Nakba, and displacement in 1948Justice vs peace — what Palestinians are really seekingWhy moderate Palestinian voices are often silenced or eliminatedU.S. empire, oil, and how global power structures fuel the conflictThis is not a “gotcha” debate — it’s an attempt to really surface the philosophical differences behind how we analyze Palestine and Israel today with far reaching implications.Ghassan Kanafani’s “Letter from Gaza” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ThCEzFWLOQPART 2 HERE https://youtu.be/I7eofSg9wGo00:00 Coming Up - Before Thoughts04:35 The Hopes for the Conversation - Not Changing Minds but Display Difference08:09 Good Guys Bad Guys Israel v Hamas - What makes a Villain?17:04 Making Contact to the Nakba and talking about Neighbors23:59 The Zionist Motivations Pre 194826:16 Deciphering Intentions from History, Statements, Restraint33:30 What is the Palestinian Cause and How Would You Like to Achieve it?37:08 Essentialism and Skipping Over Nefarious Motivations42:59 The Motivations of the West and “Liberation” 48:09 Where is Palestinian Non Violent Resistance?53:03 After Thoughts - The "Jubilation" of Zionists and “Anger” of Palestinians in 194757:33 Ghassan Kanafani - And Picked Cherries in my HeadFor more from Jay visit whatjaythinks.com