When Clint Conley hung up his bass guitar after Mission of Burma’s initial run in 1983, he didn’t look back at music for over a decade. Trying his hand at manual labor before quickly deciding that it wasn’t for him, he went back to school to study broadcast journalism. As a thirty-something in a new field, he found his way in his new career, becoming a senior field producer at Chronicle, a popular news program at WCVB-TV in Boston, where he has been for over thirty years. In our conversation, we talk about his career path after music, and how music slowly crept back in, thanks to the ‘mania’ that comes with creativity, leading to some intense balancing of two bands, a family and a career, as Mission of Burma became more acclaimed than they had ever been. Clint is smart, funny and totally transparent about his life and career, and his story offers great tips for any musician looking to embark upon a new path.

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How does a punk rocker go from booking shows to teaching high school students? As we learned from Nancy Barile, the journey is a more natural one than we would have initially thought. In our conversation we dive into what isn’t in her great new memoir “I’m Not Holding Your Coat” - from her numerous awards as an educator, her sometimes unorthodox approach to the rules and how a vintage Minor Threat t-shirt can fund one hell of a school trip. Along the way, we learn that you can take the teacher out of the punk rock scene, but you can’t take the punk out of the teacher.

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In a scene filled with tough guys, Gavin Van Vlack always stood apart. Founding member of the bands Burn and Absolution, Gavin made a name for himself in NYHC, but his other love was always fitness. Now a founder and owner of the Physical Culture Collective / Diamond Heart Striking & Jiu Jitsu, we dive into the difficulties of owning and operating a business, what people get wrong about gyms, fitness and martial arts and why an understanding of science is so important when it comes to physical health. Gavin is inspiring, inclusive, dedicated and a hell of a great guy - making this episode one not to be missed!

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A proud community college graduate, Lane started medical school while playing drums in Minneapolis punk icons Dillinger Four. As the band vowed never to ‘reach’ too far in the pursuit of a ‘career’, Lane’s own professional path took him from a small practice to expert status in his field - with a network of clinics and training sessions with over 10,000 psychologists worldwide. Join us in trying to figure out if playing drums in a beloved punk rock band has anything to do with his achievements, and why he also felt the urge to start a custom drum business and even took on flipping real estate. Despite an incredible drive for success, we see both sides of Lane - the esteemed psychologist as well as the overgrown kid - and we may have found the epitome of the ‘doctor heal thyself’ ethos in between bouts of laughter.

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To hear John Ross Bowie tell it, his entire acting career came about as a result of trying to support his family - with maybe a little recognition as a character actor if he was lucky. From his beginnings growing up in Hell’s Kitchen, he was dissuaded from pursuing acting by his first-hand look at some of those who had pursued it as a profession. After a disastrous attempt at teaching high school English, an even worse plunge writing marketing copy while his band Egghead imploded, John began pursuing comedy and improv at UCB. In this episode, we discuss who watches the Big Bang Theory, how one secures bit parts in big movies and big parts in movies sold at car washes, the early years of the UCB theater and his newest role as a TV dad in the show Generation. Our conversation is fast-paced, hilarious and insightful, so don’t miss out.

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As a little girl, Annie Saunders already knew she wanted to be a veterinarian. After being sidetracked by a love of labor history and graphic design, as well as being threatened by her school for fraud, she rediscovered her love of animals with a job at a dog training facility. After years of working with animals, moving to the Bay Area and back to the Midwest, Annie realized her dream by becoming a vet. In our conversation, we discuss why she can suss out B.S. from any pet owner, why cows are awesome, Amish friendships and much more. This one is equal parts heartfelt and hilarious.

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How do you go from punk rock frontman to mainstream pop music presenter for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC)? Our guest this episode knows all about it. From calling into broadcasts while on tour (including a famous account of a NYC hold-up in progress) to a spot as one of the most respected hosts in Canada, Grant Lawrence took an unconventional route to his career. In our conversation, we discuss the pros and cons of being a Canadian musician (spoiler: there aren’t many cons), promoting music that you love (and a lot that you don’t), being a recording artist with Lookout Records at the height of pop-punk’s popularity, his series of memoirs and the Lookout Zoomout! livestreams that he is currently hosting and producing. Oh yeah, and some hockey and Nardwuar stories as well. Enjoy!

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From working at a pharmacy to bartending, Tea Krulos always showed a passion for discovering and sharing the stories of the people that he met along the way. From an early age, this was shared through zines, a blog and later in local newspapers and regional publications. A chance introduction to the world of real life superheroes pushed Tea to become a published author, leading to books about those superheroes as well as paranormal investigators, doomsday preppers and conspiracy theorists, each a fascinating look at these subcultures. In our conversation we discuss growing up in Wisconsin, how being part of the punk rock subculture helped Tea relate to his book subjects, and how its possible to make ends meet while traveling the country to meet people and research his projects. Get ready for a fascinating look at both the writing process and the funny (and sometimes dangerous) things that happen when you immerse yourself into Tea’s type of work.

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He may have seriously considered clown college, but Chris Shary instead ended up teaching high school drama in California, while moonlighting as an artist for many of your favorite punk rock bands, including his role as the official artist for Descendents / ALL. In our conversation we discuss his early years moving frequently and how that encouraged his art and his outgoing nature, as well as his love of cartoons, comics and punk rock - which set him on a path to his unique role in punk rock and his career as a teacher. His optimistic, genuinely inviting approach to his work and his passions is something we should all aspire to achieve.

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Ari always knew that his time as a full-time hardcore singer had an expiration date. After years of performing in the iconic band Lifetime, he found himself in need of a career plan. In our conversation with Ari, we talk about his first forays into building, showing up completely unprepared for a day of work, and how he turned that into an opportunity to start a small business before ultimately joining a business that creates furniture for top companies and hotels around the world. Other topics discussed include the struggles of running a business, still performing in a part-time capacity and how sometimes taking a step back in music can make you realize how much you still love it.

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